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Séquenceur généraliste de la marque Apple appartenant à la série Logic

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  • MicDenisMicDenis

    Très bon mais ne peut pas sauvegarder sous des versions antérieures

    Apple Logic Pro XPublié le 21/10/22 à 08:20
    J'utilise Logic depuis qu'il existe et même bien avant qu'il soit sous ce nom, Supertrack sur Commodore 64, et Créator puis Notator sur Atari (1987). C'est un super logiciel en tous points mais qui devient malheureusement petit à petit une usine à gaz surtout depuis la version 10.5 en essayant de rafler le marché de l'électro, un petit pied de nez à Ableton Live en passant et c'est bien dommage. Je mets surtout 3 à la note car Logic n'a jamais proposé de sauvegarder sous des versions antérieures, ce qui, bien évidemment même si les mises à jour sont gratuites et c'est ça l'astuce, oblige l'utilisateur à réactualiser sans cesse le système et, bien évidemment aussi, à acheter fatalement une n…
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    J'utilise Logic depuis qu'il existe et même bien avant qu'il soit sous ce nom, Supertrack sur Commodore 64, et Créator puis Notator sur Atari (1987). C'est un super logiciel en tous points mais qui devient malheureusement petit à petit une usine à gaz surtout depuis la version 10.5 en essayant de rafler le marché de l'électro, un petit pied de nez à Ableton Live en passant et c'est bien dommage. Je mets surtout 3 à la note car Logic n'a jamais proposé de sauvegarder sous des versions antérieures, ce qui, bien évidemment même si les mises à jour sont gratuites et c'est ça l'astuce, oblige l'utilisateur à réactualiser sans cesse le système et, bien évidemment aussi, à acheter fatalement une nouvelle machine et le tour est joué. Je pense qu'Apple n'a pas choisi la bonne politique commerciale sur ce produit exceptionnel car celle-ci pourrait nuire rapidement à sa réputation. Mes collègues professionnels de longue date m'ont même conseillé de revenir à Logic 9, et j'avoue que au niveau du son, c'est certainement sa version la plus aboutie. Maintenant, ce n'est que mon avis et celui d'une centaine de professionnels de longue date mais nous souhaitons vivement que Logic ne se perde pas dans les méandres du profit à tout prix car ce serait une perte immense pour le monde créatif de l'audiovisuel...
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  • livewidmusiclivewidmusic

    "Logic Pro X, la fin de la logique?"

    Apple Logic Pro XPublié le 24/07/14 à 03:00
    contenu en anglais (contenu en anglais)
    Logic Pro X as the Apple website clearly states "The most advanced version of Logic ever" (which I completely do not agree with and we will come to that shortly) is the latest digital audio workstation in the Logic family, for songwriters and engineers. Compose, Record Audio, Play Midi, Edit, Flex, Mix, Master and Bouncing are the main core features that Logic X provides, similar to any other DAW out there.

    With a download size of 828MB directly from the Appstore and an extra 35GB of additional instruments, plugins and loops, this "64-bit only" Logic X runs on smoothly from OS X 10.8.4 or upwards with a minimum of 4GB RAM. Logic X supports 255 audio, software instrument and auxiliary channels with unlimited number of midi tracks, with 15 plugin slots and 8 effects send slots for each channel strip.

    Since I have given a quick positive introduction to this new version of Logic (for those who are new to Logic X), having used Logic Pro 9 for the past 6 years, I have to sadly say that Logic X is a clear disappointment for Logic Users. The reason why I am mentioning only "Logic users" is because I am pretty sure Logic X's initial customers/clients would be previous owners of Logic 9 or earlier. Being one among them and seeing other users around me, first and foremost, the initial setup does not include a .DMG file, rather, the installation and download process is done directly via the Apple Appstore. The Initial install takes around 2GB space on the system and then another additional 35GB content needs to be downloaded (this will take time but you can resume your work with Logic X minimising the download window) to get Logic X in its full shape.

    The Manual is clear by its own terms. The Key commands have changed for certain functions, which is very irritating for professional musicians and producers. When you call it a new version, you never expect the key commands to change. This takes time off from people and lead to confusion. Sadly, I got used to the new key commands, even though I later started using the old Logic 9 key commands on Logic X, as it was not working and slowed me at times.

    Logic X being 64-bit supports only 64bit audio plugins and virtual instruments. Another Headache. Opening Logic 9 sessions (Logic X supports sessions from Logic 5 and upwards) on Logic X might look very cool. But when you start playing the session, you face errors and pops. Audio regions are sometimes mis-placed. 32bit plugins seems to work with the Logic's built in audio bridge for 32bit to 64bit. But this is only for certain plugins, and there it is finally - "Your first Crash" . The new "Auto save" feature is a great help. But I don't think anybody would want to keep re-visiting previous auto-backup save sessions every 5 minutes?

    The basic and general functions are almost similar to previous versions. The Arrange window seems to have certain locational variations otherwise Logic X looks quite compact and sleek with a taste of Garageband software here and there. Everything seems to work and function faster when compared to previous versions of Logic. For first time Logic X users,
    you will definitely enjoy the look and design of it.

    SUITABILITY/PERFORMANCE

    Previously I was using OS X 10.7 (Lion) with Logic Pro 9. Though the Lion OS itself was a disaster to my working environment, after clearing all the hurdles and successfully solving the compatibility issues, I continued my work on OS X Lion version itself even after the Mountain Lion had arrived. Usually there is a say "If something works for you, don't update". I should have listened to this advice when I moved to Mountain Lion (I like things to be updated always). The sole reason for quickly moving onto Mountain Lion was Logic X, as it only supports from OS X 10.8 onwards.

    At the moment, Logic X 10.0.7 runs on my 8 GB, 2.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, Mavericks (10.9) system. Its been 1 complete year after getting Logic X and so far, other than constant crashing and certain sessional related defects, that me and many of my friends have still not found answers for, Logic X runs seamlessly faster and is very powerful in handling complicated and hybrid sessions. The Audio engine is updated. The usage levels of the RAM and the processing speed of plugins are slightly lesser and faster respectively.

    After switching to Logic X, the performance I receive is sometimes noteworthy but most of the time, it gives me only issues. Let us put it this way. The more size and larger the session is, the more amount of problems occur. With a lot of newly added features, notably like the "Flex Pitch", "Track Stacks", "Drum Kit Designer", "Retro Synth" and the "Smart Controls", Logic X attracts many of us and gets along easily with these problems mentioned earlier.

    The "Flex Pitch" as you would have already understood is a new addition to the flexing options. Now you get to flex any audio signal inside your session. Though I would say Logic X does a good job with flexing (This looks almost like Melodyne to me but not that accurate though), it is not stable at times. With a large audio file, for e.g., 5-10 minute long file takes up-to 5-10 minute itself for processing before one could start flexing. To avoid this situation I usually slice the audio regions and put them onto a separate track just for flexing purposes. Here is where the "Crash" sometimes arrives. When such a large file is duplicated, Logic X starts to become a child by itself and panics. The playback stops abruptly at many times when the Flex option is active. As you all might be wondering now if this could be my system configuration's issue, which I also though initially, I was wrong when I found out that many users encounter the same problem. I was forced to flex the audio signals on a separate session or via another program/software.

    "Track Stacks" is awesome! This was something I was looking forward to earlier itself. To have a folder within the arrange session, and to control all the instruments with just one slider was a relief, especially for Logic users. Though this is possible by just bussing all your wanted tracks to an auxiliary channel, here, Logic X provides you an instant time saver. Select all the tracks, right click and enable track stack, and all the tracks become a single folder with one slider. Don't get confused. This is not the Folder feature we had up-to Logic 9, where the tracks hide themselves inside another separate window.

    The "Drum Kit Designer" is attractive but sometimes rules over us giving us more than what we ask. With several custom preset - customisable drum kit designs, this is an easy solution for Producers. With some industry leading drummers around the world, Logic X has incorporated their involvement in the playing and groove styles giving you a virtual drummer with its own mix setup. Feel free to tweak the settings. If you have a verse - chorus - verse structure for your song, the drum kit designer immediately recognises this and gives you a series of drum patterns accordingly.

    The "Retro Synth" is something I loved. A completely new re-touched collection analog and dirty synths have arrived. The settings are quite similar to every other synth based instruments.

    "Smart Control" is a completely new feature and very much well-thought insertion. It allows you to globally control all the instrument plugin's basic function knobs - all in one - window. This is completely helpful, as you do not need to individually go over each instrument to tweak the settings on a general level.



    OVERALL OPINION

    Pros

    1) 64bit - More faster and powerful
    2) Re-designed Guitar and Bass Amps
    3) Smart Control
    4) Automation can now be copied and pasted with the Marquee tool
    5) Compression level can now be monitored on the channel strip without opening the plugin
    6) Session exporting is now compatible for more devices and applications
    7) Auto-backup
    8) The new Arpeggiator - Midi plugin is absolutely innovative
    9) Re-designed EQ
    10) "Logic Remote" allows you to control the session via an iPad
    11) Track Stacks makes the sessions tidy and gives a much better workflow to the user

    Cons

    1) Constant and unexpected crashes at the middle of sessions.
    2) Last saved sessions deliver audio cross fade-pops at times.
    3) Flex Pitch is good but does more bad
    4) 32 bit only plugins - Good bye, or use 3rd party applications like SoundRadix to get them on Logic X. Re-starting the AU manager on any previous Logic Pro and then opening Logic X sometimes solve this issue.
    5) No Environment window anymore
    6) Slicing, editing and aligning regions sometimes gets snapped onto wrong time-lines, even though "snap to absolute/relative grid' is enabled.
    7) The mouse pointer is un-recognised on the region window if you need to click on an empty space. Now you are forced to click on the play-head time line.

    For $199.99, Logic X is a satisfactory - painful welcome into your life. I have not noticed any difference in the quality of sound when compared with previous versions of Logic. The production and the outcomes are the same in terms of both sonic quality and sound.

    Being a die-hard Logic user for several years now, I would have anyways purchased the Logic X - be it good or bad (This is the selling point, as a previous user of a software, especially like Logic, is always naturally excited to experience the latest update of it). But now, to be frank, I don't use Logic X for professional dead-line based projects, keeping in mind some of the scares on my client's face and mine earlier, while using Logic X, I have finally moved back to Logic 9 for constant work-flows, keeping Logic X only as a back-up. and for experimental projects.
  • MaxidingueMaxidingue

    Bof..........

    Apple Logic Pro XPublié le 15/09/13 à 11:49
    J'avais déposé un commentaire peu élogieux sur Apple et sa politique commerciale bien décidé à ne pas upgrader mon bon vieux Logic 9 et puis hier j'ai craqué après avoir lu le volumineux essai du dernier Sound On Sound
    Installation facile (cf plus haut), pour le bundle bonus j'ai pas encore trouvé ???
    Configuration: GarageBand, moche, on cherche ses repères, on fait sa petite configuration perso de la barre des tache et elle disparait subitement sans rien y comprendre bref... déja des bugs à la premiere utilisation....et après 4 ans de mise au point (c'est le temps qu'il a fallu a Apple pour passer de la 9 à la X)
    Incompatibilité, YES, les plugs 32 bits de ma vieille Powercore ne sont pa…
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    J'avais déposé un commentaire peu élogieux sur Apple et sa politique commerciale bien décidé à ne pas upgrader mon bon vieux Logic 9 et puis hier j'ai craqué après avoir lu le volumineux essai du dernier Sound On Sound
    Installation facile (cf plus haut), pour le bundle bonus j'ai pas encore trouvé ???
    Configuration: GarageBand, moche, on cherche ses repères, on fait sa petite configuration perso de la barre des tache et elle disparait subitement sans rien y comprendre bref... déja des bugs à la premiere utilisation....et après 4 ans de mise au point (c'est le temps qu'il a fallu a Apple pour passer de la 9 à la X)
    Incompatibilité, YES, les plugs 32 bits de ma vieille Powercore ne sont pas reconnus + quelques logiciel
    Pas de manuel papier. Un aide bien pensée cependant. On passe le curseur de la souris sur un élément et il vous affiche une aide dans la petite fenetre en haut à gauche
    Cela dit, je cherche l'indicateur de charge CPU et HD qui était present au premier demarrage et a disparu de la barre des tache et .......... introuvable

    ADÉQUATION/PERFORMANCE

    J'ai un iMac i5 quadraCore tournant sous OSX 10.8.3, 8Mo de RAM une carte RME Fireface 800 et on a déja un peu l'impression que ça "frolle" la limite minimale. Le Bundle Spectrasonic (Omnisphere, Trillian, Stylus) + Kontakt; on dirait que c'est déja beaucoup pour lui
    J'avais pas ce probleme avec la V 9
    Mon gros soucis c'est lorsque je créé des pistes MIDI externes pour mes synths Hardware (Minitaur, TR-Rack, Mininova et microKorg)........ là, ça merdouille sec. Dès que j'ouvre un menu le flux MIDI s'arrête, se fige. Là encore j'avais pas de probleme avec Logic 9. Sans compter le Minitaur qui perd son latin et qui ne recevant pas de note off continu sur sa lancée jusqu'a ce que je le débranche !!!!!!
    J'ESPERE que c'est juste un probleme de réglage de config...... pourtant j'ai mis "le nez dans le moteur". A priori environnement correcte, synchro horloge et MTC OK. Pour l'instant je sèche

    Pas de plantage en 24 heures d'utilisation quasi sans interruption. Un bon point

    AVIS GLOBAL

    Je l'ai installé hier après midi, je sais c'est TRES leger pour juger mais pour une premiere opinion c'est acceptable. GROSSE deception pour l'instant (Moche, incoherences MIDI et....). Cela dit y a pas que du décevant. Pour les nouveautés: arppegiateur MIDI un bon point, complet, paramètrable à souhait, FlexTime amélioré (mais c'est pas Mélodyne...), compatibilité correcte des plugIns. Pour le moins le synthé AU qui s'apparente plutot à un rompler d'entré de gamme.....
    J'utilise Logic Pro 9 depuis sa sortie; un vrai régale. Par chance les 2 peuvent co exister sur la meme bécanne et je ne l'ai pas désinstallé. Je conserve la version 9 pour séquencer mes synths Hard en attendant d'avoir quelque chose d'acceptable sur la version X.
    J'ai également ABleton Live 9 qui, n'en déplaisse à certains, apporte une autre façon de travailler et ne fait pas double emploi avec un DAW classique

    J'aime: pour l'instant pas grand chose en dehors de l'arpegiateur MIDI. QUelques améliorations dans la table de mixage. L'aide intégrée
    J'aime pas: Le look à la GarageBande, la gestion MIDI, "l'instabilité" (parametrages perso qui disparaissent cf plus haut). La politique commerciale d'Apple

    Bref pour l'instant je regrette mes 179€

    I'll be back (si je change d'avis)
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