Le club des depressifs

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Cependant, la notion de sacré reste puissante.

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(On va nourrir les Africains étiques à grand coup de métaphysique! Ah !). Pour se masturber le cerveau avec de vaines abstractions, il faut d'abord avoir le ventre plein.

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Heu...puis-je savoir ce que tu as lu sur le bouddhisme ? Car à mon sens si ces mots te sont étrangers, c'est que tu n'as pas dû lire les bonnes choses, auquel cas je te conseillerai volontiers quelques valeurs sûres

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Now then, if one must try to say something about what Zen is, and I want to do this by way of introduction, I must make it emphatic that Zen, in its essence, is not a doctrine. There's nothing you're supposed to believe in. It's not a philosophy in our sense, that is to say a set of ideas, an intellectual net in which one tries to catch the fish of reality. Actually, the fish of reality is more like water--it always slips through the net. And in water you know when you get into it there's nothing to hang on to. All this universe is like water; it is fluid, it is transient, it is changing. And when you're thrown into the water after being accustomed to living on the dry land, you're not used to the idea of swimming. You try to stand on the water, you try to catch hold of it, and as a result you drown. The only way to survive in the water, and this refers particularly to the waters of modern philosophical confusion, where God is dead, metaphysical propositions are meaningless, and there's really nothing to hang on to, because we're all just falling apart. And the only thing to do under those circumstances is to learn how to swim. And to swim, you relax, you let go, you give yourself to the water, and you have to know how to breathe in the right way. And then you find that the water holds you up; indeed, in a certain way you become the water. And so in the same way, one might say if one attempted to--again I say misleadingly--to put Zen into any sort of concept, it simply comes down to this:

That in this universe, there is one great energy, and we have no name for it. People have tried various names for it, like God, like *Brahmin, like Tao, but in the West, the word God has got so many funny associations attached to it that most of us are bored with it. When people say 'God, the father almighty,' most people feel funny inside. So we like to hear new words, we like to hear about Tao, about Brahmin, about Shinto, and __-__-__, and such strange names from the far East because they don't carry the same associations of mawkish sanctimony and funny meanings from the past. And actually, some of these words that the Buddhists use for the basic energy of the world really don't mean anything at all. The word _tathata_, which is translated from the Sanskrit as 'suchness' or 'thusness' or something like that, really means something more like 'dadada,' based on the word _tat_, which in Sanskrit means 'that,' and so in Sanskrit it is said _tat lum asi_, 'that thou art,' or in modern America, 'you're it.' But 'da, da'--that's the first sound a baby makes when it comes into the world, because the baby looks around and says 'da, da, da, da' and fathers flatter themselves and think it's saying 'DaDa,' which means 'Daddy,' but according to Buddhist philosophy, all this universe is one 'dadada.' That means 'ten thousand functions, ten thousand things, one suchness,' and we're all one suchness. And that means that suchess comes and goes like anything else because this whole world is an on-and-off system. As the Chinese say, it's the _yang_ and the _yin_, and therefore it consists of 'now you see it, now you don't, here you are, here you aren't, here you are,' because that the nature of energy, to be like waves, and waves have crests and troughs, only we, being under a kind of sleepiness or illusion, imagine that the trough is going to overcome the wave or the crest, the _yin_, or the dark principle, is going to overcome the _yang_, or the light principle, and that 'off' is going to finally triumph over 'on.' And we, shall I say, bug ourselves by indulging in that illusion. 'Hey, supposing darkness did win out, wouldn't that be terrible!' And so we're constantly trembling and thinking that it may, because after all, isn't it odd that anything exists? It's most peculiar, it requires effort, it requires energy, and it would have been so much easier for there to have been nothing at all. Therefore, we think 'well, since being, since the 'is' side of things is so much effort' you always give up after a while and you sink back into death. But death is just the other face of energy, and it's the rest, the not being anything around, that produces something around, just in the same way that you can't have 'solid' without 'space,' or 'space' without 'solid.' When you wake up to this, and realize that the more it changes the more it's the same thing, as the French say, that you are really a train of this one energy, and there is nothing else but that that is you, but that for you to be always you would be an insufferable bore, and therefore it is arranged that you stop being you after a while and then come back as someone else altogether, and so when you find that out, you become full energy and delight. As Blake said, 'Energy is eternal delight.' And you suddenly see through the whole sham thing. You realize you're That--we won't put a name on it-- you're That, and you can't be anything else. So you are relieved of fundamental terror. That doesn't mean tht you're always going to be a great hero, that you won't jump when you hear a bang, that you won't worry occasionally, that you won't lose your temper. It means, though, that fundamentally deep, deep, deep down within you, you will be able to be human, not a stone Buddha--you know in Zen there is a difference made between a living Buddha and a stone Buddha. If you go up to a stone Buddha and you hit him hard on the head, nothing happens. You break your fist or your stick. But if you hit a living Buddha, he may say 'ouch,' and he may feel pain, because if he didn't feel something, he wouldn't be a human being. Buddhas are human, they are not devas, they are not gods. They are enlightened men and women. But the point is that they are not afraid to be human, they are not afraid to let themselves participate in the pains, difficulties and struggles that naturally go with human existence. The only difference is--and it's almost an undetectable difference--it takes one to know one. As a Zen poem says, 'when two Zen masters meet each other on the street, they need no introduction. When fiends meet, they recognize one another instantly.' So a person who is a real cool Zen understands that, does not go around 'Oh, I understand Zen, I have satori, I have this attainment, I have that attainment, I have the other attainment,' because if he said that, he wouldn't understand the first thing about it.

Citation : Ou alors tu mets tout et n'importe quoi dans le concept de dieu. Tu peux dire que le tao, c'est dieu, tu peux dire que la rationalite, c'est dieu, tu peux dire que l'homme, c'est dieu, etc...

Citation : ce sont les mots que l'on utilise pour l'exprimer qui compliquent tout

Citation : c'est surtout NOUS qui avons l'art de compliquer les choses

Citation : Chaque idee, chaque principe existant est d'une simplicite enfantine.. ce sont les mots que l'on utilise pour l'exprimer qui compliquent tout

Citation : La cyclothymie est l'alternance de l'humeur qui peut passer de la tristesse à l'euphorie et vice-versa. Il y a deux volets à la définition de ce mot.

La cyclothymie est d'abord un trait de personnalité qui prédispose à la maladie si les conditions y sont favorables mais qui reste du côté de la normalité.

La maniaco-dépression, par contre, est une psychose. Son évolution est très peu influencée par des facteurs psychologiques et environnementaux.

On peut dire que les personnes souffrant d'une psychose maniaco-dépressive (ou trouble bi-polaire) sont nécessairement cyclothymiques. Par contre, les personnes cyclothymique ne souffrent pas toutes de psychose maniaco-dépressive.

Citation : C'est surtout que si on n'arrive pas à l'exprimer simplement avec des mots c'est qu'on n'a pas tout compris.
Non?

Hors sujet : la vache, ça devient vachement intello sur af

Citation : C'est surtout que si on n'arrive pas a l'exprimer simplement avec des mots c'est qu'on n'a pas tout compris

Citation : C'est une vision tellement occidentale, voire colonialiste... Je ne connais pas moi meme l'afrique, mais les temoignages de personnes tres proches qui y sont alle ne m'ont pas decrit un monde semi apocalyptique, ou le malheur reigne a toutes les rues. La notion de ce qui est necessaire, de ce qui ne l'est pas, change selon les cultures. Si j'appliquais mes criteres occidentaux a tout ce que je vois ici, par exemple, je deviendrais fou.

Citation : Voilà pourquoi je pense que les considérations métaphysiques me paraissent futiles et superflues, et pourquoi elles ne peuvent être réservées qu'aux ventres repus.

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