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J'hallucine... Pour avoir bosser dans un label (indé certe, masi label quand même...) pendant un moment, c'est sur-réaliste qu'un label demande du pognon... Soit il prend des point sur l'édition et la vente, soit, si il fait du booking aussi, il prend sa com' sur les dates, mais à aucun moment il demande du pognon aux artistes
Et y'a personne du groupe qui est allé écouter pendant que le mec mixait???
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Sp|ne
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Tant qu'à faire... On a une proposition d'une agence de booking allemande. Je copie/colle le contrat. Si vous pouviez jeter un oeil et me dire si vous voyez une enroule ou une possibilité d'enroule dedans, merci
XXXXX
represented by
_________________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________
and
contracting party 2 (CP2)
XXXXXXXX
represented by
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
following contract is valid:
§ 1 Subject-matter of this contract
Contracting party 1 (CP1) assigns contracting party 2 (CP2) worldwide exclusivity
(exept: belgian agency xxxxxxx, represented by xxxxxxxxxxx)
to book performances of all kinds in the name of CP1. This includes in particular the right
to sign engagement contracts for CP1. This right is to be conceded worldwide.
The band is also authorized to book performances itself.
§ 2 Agreement
To avoid overlapping promotionativities or appointments the contracting parties commit themselves to informing
each other about appointments in general, special appointments which are in the making and periods of holiday.
CP2 commits itself to agreeing on relevant terms of this contract such as fees, appointments, timetables etc. with
CP1 before signing this contract. CP1 has the right to reject shows before signing a contract.
CP1 receives one copy of the valid contract, one plan of approach and one timetable for the prevailing show
four weeks in advance (alternatively via electronic business is possible too).
§ 3 Obeying of appointments
If CP1 does not fulfil shows or appointments without a medical certificate (except from cases of force majeure)
CP1 will bear all arising costs (fixed penalties and other arising bills).
Exept: illness of Kristell's own child (with medical certificate)
§ 4 Promotion material
CP2 sends everything necessary promotion material (posters, flyers, photos, any other information needed) latest
four weeks before performance to the local organizer in case of all appointments booked by CP2.
After CP1 has made promotion material in sufficient quantities and free of charge available for CP2. As agreed
CP1 can undertake this job if there are any concert inquiries in written form (CP1 meets the cost of postage).
§ 5 Liability in case of damages
The artist represented by CP1 is fully liable for every damage or personal damage caused by CP1
on the concert terrain, in the concert hall, backstage areas, hotels or similar places.
With this CP2 is fully exempted from all claims relating to this.
§ 6 Receipts of concert bills
CP1 is obliged to deliver one copy of the concert bills of each kept appointment to CP2 within the next 14 days.
This effects in particular concerts of which the fee is calculated on the basis of share in admission.
§ 7 Cooperation with third party
CP2 is licensed to ask a third party or to call one into making appointments (performances) for CP1 for a length,
which doesn´t stand in the way of this contract. This is to be coordinated by mutual agreement with CP1 before
involving a third party. CP1 also receives the right to involve a third party but has to take § 2
into consideration when booking concerts.
§ 8 Agency provision
CP2 receives 15 % of the net fee due to the contracts signed for his occupation. For performances on the territory
of the Federal republic of Germany incur supplementary costs because of the German sales-tax (currently 19%
sales-tax). CP1 receives an invoice about the incurred provision which is to be paid within 30 days and without any
deductions. Otherwise interests for default (10,7% p.a.) will mature beginning on the 31st day from invoicing on.
CP2 receives the right to operate as tour manager (by appointment with CP1) and receives an expense allowance
of 80 € (excl. 19% sales-tax) per day which is taken from the net fee or is directly paid by the band.
Arising costs for tour manager´s overnight stays will be born by the local organizer.
§ 9 Payment of tax
CP1 and CP 2 will pay their tax of income themselves.
§ 10 Term of this contract
This contract is valid for 12 months (beginning 01.08.2011) and can be cancelled by each party by 8 weeks´ notice.
If it is not cancelled by one party 8 weeks before passing it is prolonged for another 12 months each time.
Should irreconcilable disagreements appear, this contract can be annulled prior to expiry of the statutory period of
time by an agreement on both sides, with 8 weeks´ notice. In case of appointments, which were booked before
termination of this contract or which last beyond termination, it is arranged that these regulations are applied entirely.
§ 11 Promotion / Advertising campaign
Additional promotion works can (on- and offline) on behalf of CP2 can be booked separately .
Terms: Contract period of ½ a year = 100 € (plus 19 % sales-tax) monthly
Contract period of 1 year = 80 € (plus 19 % sales-tax) monthly.
§ 12 Other
CP1 and CP2 assure each other by means of their signature that they are of age, legally competent,
qualified to sign and satisfied with the significance of this contract. Besides CP1 is obliged to make sure that there
are no claims of a third party, which stand in the way of this contract. Should single regulations of this contract be or
become legally invalid the remaining should not be affected. Any eventually created gaps should be filled to maintain
the meaning and point of this contract. Alterations require written form. Further verbal agreements do not exist.
CP1 and CP2 agree on silence about the regulations of this contract (in particular about the scale
XXXXX
represented by
_________________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________
and
contracting party 2 (CP2)
XXXXXXXX
represented by
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
following contract is valid:
§ 1 Subject-matter of this contract
Contracting party 1 (CP1) assigns contracting party 2 (CP2) worldwide exclusivity
(exept: belgian agency xxxxxxx, represented by xxxxxxxxxxx)
to book performances of all kinds in the name of CP1. This includes in particular the right
to sign engagement contracts for CP1. This right is to be conceded worldwide.
The band is also authorized to book performances itself.
§ 2 Agreement
To avoid overlapping promotionativities or appointments the contracting parties commit themselves to informing
each other about appointments in general, special appointments which are in the making and periods of holiday.
CP2 commits itself to agreeing on relevant terms of this contract such as fees, appointments, timetables etc. with
CP1 before signing this contract. CP1 has the right to reject shows before signing a contract.
CP1 receives one copy of the valid contract, one plan of approach and one timetable for the prevailing show
four weeks in advance (alternatively via electronic business is possible too).
§ 3 Obeying of appointments
If CP1 does not fulfil shows or appointments without a medical certificate (except from cases of force majeure)
CP1 will bear all arising costs (fixed penalties and other arising bills).
Exept: illness of Kristell's own child (with medical certificate)
§ 4 Promotion material
CP2 sends everything necessary promotion material (posters, flyers, photos, any other information needed) latest
four weeks before performance to the local organizer in case of all appointments booked by CP2.
After CP1 has made promotion material in sufficient quantities and free of charge available for CP2. As agreed
CP1 can undertake this job if there are any concert inquiries in written form (CP1 meets the cost of postage).
§ 5 Liability in case of damages
The artist represented by CP1 is fully liable for every damage or personal damage caused by CP1
on the concert terrain, in the concert hall, backstage areas, hotels or similar places.
With this CP2 is fully exempted from all claims relating to this.
§ 6 Receipts of concert bills
CP1 is obliged to deliver one copy of the concert bills of each kept appointment to CP2 within the next 14 days.
This effects in particular concerts of which the fee is calculated on the basis of share in admission.
§ 7 Cooperation with third party
CP2 is licensed to ask a third party or to call one into making appointments (performances) for CP1 for a length,
which doesn´t stand in the way of this contract. This is to be coordinated by mutual agreement with CP1 before
involving a third party. CP1 also receives the right to involve a third party but has to take § 2
into consideration when booking concerts.
§ 8 Agency provision
CP2 receives 15 % of the net fee due to the contracts signed for his occupation. For performances on the territory
of the Federal republic of Germany incur supplementary costs because of the German sales-tax (currently 19%
sales-tax). CP1 receives an invoice about the incurred provision which is to be paid within 30 days and without any
deductions. Otherwise interests for default (10,7% p.a.) will mature beginning on the 31st day from invoicing on.
CP2 receives the right to operate as tour manager (by appointment with CP1) and receives an expense allowance
of 80 € (excl. 19% sales-tax) per day which is taken from the net fee or is directly paid by the band.
Arising costs for tour manager´s overnight stays will be born by the local organizer.
§ 9 Payment of tax
CP1 and CP 2 will pay their tax of income themselves.
§ 10 Term of this contract
This contract is valid for 12 months (beginning 01.08.2011) and can be cancelled by each party by 8 weeks´ notice.
If it is not cancelled by one party 8 weeks before passing it is prolonged for another 12 months each time.
Should irreconcilable disagreements appear, this contract can be annulled prior to expiry of the statutory period of
time by an agreement on both sides, with 8 weeks´ notice. In case of appointments, which were booked before
termination of this contract or which last beyond termination, it is arranged that these regulations are applied entirely.
§ 11 Promotion / Advertising campaign
Additional promotion works can (on- and offline) on behalf of CP2 can be booked separately .
Terms: Contract period of ½ a year = 100 € (plus 19 % sales-tax) monthly
Contract period of 1 year = 80 € (plus 19 % sales-tax) monthly.
§ 12 Other
CP1 and CP2 assure each other by means of their signature that they are of age, legally competent,
qualified to sign and satisfied with the significance of this contract. Besides CP1 is obliged to make sure that there
are no claims of a third party, which stand in the way of this contract. Should single regulations of this contract be or
become legally invalid the remaining should not be affected. Any eventually created gaps should be filled to maintain
the meaning and point of this contract. Alterations require written form. Further verbal agreements do not exist.
CP1 and CP2 agree on silence about the regulations of this contract (in particular about the scale
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luciolis
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j'ai repensé tout à l'heure qu'etant ado (ya bien longtemps malheureusement) on a eu droit au plan 50:50 sur le studio; quand je vois ce que ça nous a couté pour 3 jours de studio, ou le gars a d'abord préféré qu'on mette une boite à rythmes parce que la batterie soit disant sonnait pas, puis les guitares direct dans la table (avec des rockman) et la basse pareil, le seul à voir un micro avait été le chanteur... il avait en plus rajouté des choeurs féminins au mix sans nous demander -- je sens bien qu'on a payé 100% du studio et que le gars avait trouvé ce moyen là pour le faire tourner, il a du faire ça à un paquet de groupes...
et le pire c'est qu'ON A TOUT ACCEPTÉ - faut ben croire qu'on est cons quand on est jeune
et le pire c'est qu'ON A TOUT ACCEPTÉ - faut ben croire qu'on est cons quand on est jeune
[ Dernière édition du message le 29/06/2011 à 21:01:27 ]
Sp|ne
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Citation :
. Ils ne sont pas organisateurs mais bookers. En tout cas leurs groupes ont l'air de tourner. Faut voir où... je ne suis pas familier de la scène allemande... et je repense au film the story of Anvil et aux endroits chelous je doute qu'ils organiseront beaucoup de concerts
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Citation :
aut ben croire qu'on est cons quand on est jeune
Même les veux se font avoir, t'inquiète
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MUSICIEN ARTISTES NE SIGNEZ JAMAIS AVEC DES EDITEURS
LES PLUS GROSSES ARNAQUES ET ENTUBERIES DE LA MUSIQUE VIENNENT DE CES MECS LA ( pas tous mais beaucoup beaucoup ) . IL VOUS PILLENT VOS DROITS D AUTEUR , S APPROPRIE VOTRE ALBUM , VOUS BLOQUE ET ATTENDENT SAGEMENT QUE VOUS DEVENIEZ NUMERO 1 SANS JAMAIS RIEN FAIRE POUR . ( pas d'avance , pas de concert , promo ridicule , pas de radios playlist )
ET ENSUITE UNE FOIS CONNU ( pas grâce a eux ) IL PASSE A LA CAISSE SUR VOTRE DOS .
LES PLUS GROSSES ARNAQUES ET ENTUBERIES DE LA MUSIQUE VIENNENT DE CES MECS LA ( pas tous mais beaucoup beaucoup ) . IL VOUS PILLENT VOS DROITS D AUTEUR , S APPROPRIE VOTRE ALBUM , VOUS BLOQUE ET ATTENDENT SAGEMENT QUE VOUS DEVENIEZ NUMERO 1 SANS JAMAIS RIEN FAIRE POUR . ( pas d'avance , pas de concert , promo ridicule , pas de radios playlist )ET ENSUITE UNE FOIS CONNU ( pas grâce a eux ) IL PASSE A LA CAISSE SUR VOTRE DOS .
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Merci de ne pas écrire en capitales : ça rend le post illisible et agressif au possible. Or, les gens qui lisent tes posts n'ont pas à être agressés. Ca serait pas mal aussi d'argumenter tant soit peu tes propos
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Citation de Sp|ne :
C sur que les labels... On a eu une proposition d'un label pourtant "honorable" qui demandait genre 5.000 boules pour commencer...
J'hallucine... Pour avoir bosser dans un label (indé certe, masi label quand même...) pendant un moment, c'est sur-réaliste qu'un label demande du pognon... Soit il prend des point sur l'édition et la vente, soit, si il fait du booking aussi, il prend sa com' sur les dates, mais à aucun moment il demande du pognon aux artistes
Citation de Pettigrew :
Je me souviens de l'enregistrement de notre premier CD...l'enregistrement se passe plutôt bien (faut dire que j'avais pas beaucoup d'expérience sur le travail en studio aussi), mais tout le groupe est vraiment déçu par le mixage et le mastering. Après plusieurs écoutes et après avoir payé notre facétieux ingé son, on lui fait part de notre souhait de retravailler tout ça. Sa réponse : Ah ben désolé les gars, mais j'ai pu vos pistes moi.
On a pleuré sur des .wav inexploitables...
VDM.
Et y'a personne du groupe qui est allé écouter pendant que le mec mixait???
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