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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 27/08/2003 à 18:42:22Depeche Mode
Je m ecoutais du depeche mode la, ,et je me disais que sans eux ya des groupes qui seraient pas comme y sont maintenant...je pense a Paradise lost par exemple...
Vous trouvez pas que c est un groupe culte vous?
Vous trouvez pas que c est un groupe culte vous?
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Hors sujet :Moi j’aurais mis Exciter, et Playing the angel en second choix
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Le plus gauche des guitaristes gaucher....
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927 Posté le 24/09/2023 à 22:48:58
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Aucun album avec Alan Wilder? Impossible ce ne sont pas de vrais fans
Entièrement d'accord, ils sont débiles ou quoi ?
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928 Posté le 25/09/2023 à 21:04:17
D'habitude j'aime bien la plupart de ses vidéos, autant là....
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“By the time we started the Hamburg sessions in an altogether more suitable commercial studio [chateau Du Pape], we had remembered that less people around equalled more work done. Fletch went back to England and booked himself back into The Priory; Dave only really showed up to do his vocals, and that left myself, Flood and Martin — who perked up a bit — to get on and knock the album into shape. We recorded eight tracks in six weeks, compared to the two or three we’d scraped together in Madrid.”
Gore hinted at Wilder’s more upbeat disposition while working in Germany: “Alan didn’t particularly get on with Andy, and Andy went home during the recording period in Hamburg; that’s probably why Alan cheered up and started coming out-he was out with us every night! He’s a Gemini; he’s odd! There are always two sides to their moods.”
Jonathan Miller. Stripped.
Gore hinted at Wilder’s more upbeat disposition while working in Germany: “Alan didn’t particularly get on with Andy, and Andy went home during the recording period in Hamburg; that’s probably why Alan cheered up and started coming out-he was out with us every night! He’s a Gemini; he’s odd! There are always two sides to their moods.”
Jonathan Miller. Stripped.
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“I think that Alan was trying to gain control of everything towards the end of the project, and because I wasn’t very well, he was doing that,” Fletch said. “He was able to take control, and I think I deal with things a bit differently. I don’t think the roles have changed at all … we just replaced Alan with a team of people.”
It's amazing how many people they needed to replace one single man ...
“It was important for us to fill his shoes,” Martin remarked. “I think that Tim and his team helped to fulfil that role. The musicians in Tim's team were very important. Because Alan was always the so-called musician in Depeche Mode. The classical trained one. It's a fine line. What's a musician? I can play a guitar and I can play keyboards, but I was never classically trained.”
“He can read music scores as well,” Fletch bitched about Alan. Martin tried to cool it down a bit: “I never had any music theory, I just know what sounds good and what moves me when I write it, when I try out things. So this was a totally different way of working for us.”
Some fans tend to label Alan as a victim. But - as we’ve already seen – there are two sides to every story. Therefore it’s too simple to see him as the unfortunate victim, (or “fluffy bunny-wunny” to say it with his own words.)
Some fans tend to see him as a traitor, as the one who committed the crime of leaving “the sinking ship,” as the one who left his friends in the lurch. I think this view is unfair, because you have realize the amount of work he put into this band.
Where would DM have got without him? Would they have been able to produce albums like Violator? Would they have been able to play in front of 70,000 people at the Rosebowl? I wouldn’t be so sure.
But it would also be wrong to say that the entire success was due to him, (like some other fans do.) It was the success of this special team. Alan alone wouldn’t have gotten far without Martin’s songs and Dave’s distinctive voice and charismatic live performance.
Hanging on your Words - A Depeche Mode biography
It's amazing how many people they needed to replace one single man ...
“It was important for us to fill his shoes,” Martin remarked. “I think that Tim and his team helped to fulfil that role. The musicians in Tim's team were very important. Because Alan was always the so-called musician in Depeche Mode. The classical trained one. It's a fine line. What's a musician? I can play a guitar and I can play keyboards, but I was never classically trained.”
“He can read music scores as well,” Fletch bitched about Alan. Martin tried to cool it down a bit: “I never had any music theory, I just know what sounds good and what moves me when I write it, when I try out things. So this was a totally different way of working for us.”
Some fans tend to label Alan as a victim. But - as we’ve already seen – there are two sides to every story. Therefore it’s too simple to see him as the unfortunate victim, (or “fluffy bunny-wunny” to say it with his own words.)
Some fans tend to see him as a traitor, as the one who committed the crime of leaving “the sinking ship,” as the one who left his friends in the lurch. I think this view is unfair, because you have realize the amount of work he put into this band.
Where would DM have got without him? Would they have been able to produce albums like Violator? Would they have been able to play in front of 70,000 people at the Rosebowl? I wouldn’t be so sure.
But it would also be wrong to say that the entire success was due to him, (like some other fans do.) It was the success of this special team. Alan alone wouldn’t have gotten far without Martin’s songs and Dave’s distinctive voice and charismatic live performance.
Hanging on your Words - A Depeche Mode biography
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In the course of time Dave reacted increasingly irritated and thin-skinned.
“I'm not here to be judged by Martin Gore. I'm not his marionette. If Martin can give me what I have given him with his songs within all the years, then we can work together. I have a solo album ...”
But when he was asked about the perfect mode of operation with Martin and Fletch:
“Well, listen: There aren't any plans, okay? Is that enough now? And Andy doesn't do anything in the studio, even the fans know this. He hasn't contributed musically to DM perhaps since A Broken Frame. It was Alan, Martin and me. Alan left the band and now it's Martin and me. I'm not going to carry on with DM just because it's such a big name. A new album must fill me with enthusiasm. It must come from our hearts. But at the moment I find it rather outrageous to ask me all these questions. I'm working with a cool band ...”
And when one dared to ask him about Alan ... “Alan left DM ten years ago. You should get over it. I do something else now and enjoy it!"
Hanging on your Words - A Depeche Mode biography
“I'm not here to be judged by Martin Gore. I'm not his marionette. If Martin can give me what I have given him with his songs within all the years, then we can work together. I have a solo album ...”
But when he was asked about the perfect mode of operation with Martin and Fletch:
“Well, listen: There aren't any plans, okay? Is that enough now? And Andy doesn't do anything in the studio, even the fans know this. He hasn't contributed musically to DM perhaps since A Broken Frame. It was Alan, Martin and me. Alan left the band and now it's Martin and me. I'm not going to carry on with DM just because it's such a big name. A new album must fill me with enthusiasm. It must come from our hearts. But at the moment I find it rather outrageous to ask me all these questions. I'm working with a cool band ...”
And when one dared to ask him about Alan ... “Alan left DM ten years ago. You should get over it. I do something else now and enjoy it!"
Hanging on your Words - A Depeche Mode biography
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932 Posté le 29/09/2023 à 22:59:20
Depeche Mode est à la 13ème place des meilleures tournées du mois d'août 2023.
Le magazine « Billboard » a publié la liste actuelle « Boxscore » pour août 2023, qui sélectionne les tournées et concerts individuels les plus rentables du mois dernier.
Lors de ses neuf concerts en août 2023, Depeche Mode a réalisé aux États-Unis des recettes au box-office de 12,7 millions de dollars (près de 12 millions d'euros),
Les ventes de billets pour les deux représentations de Depeche Mode au stade olympique de Berlin ont généré 14,5 millions de dollars (environ 13,5 millions d'euros).
Le magazine « Billboard » a publié la liste actuelle « Boxscore » pour août 2023, qui sélectionne les tournées et concerts individuels les plus rentables du mois dernier.
Lors de ses neuf concerts en août 2023, Depeche Mode a réalisé aux États-Unis des recettes au box-office de 12,7 millions de dollars (près de 12 millions d'euros),
Les ventes de billets pour les deux représentations de Depeche Mode au stade olympique de Berlin ont généré 14,5 millions de dollars (environ 13,5 millions d'euros).
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933 Posté le 29/09/2023 à 23:17:01
Comment 2 concerts en stades génèrent plus que 9 dates aux USA?
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934 Posté le 29/09/2023 à 23:27:39
Aux USA ce sont des salles de 10 ou 15.000 places.
Le stade olympique de Berlin en contient plus de 75.000!.
Le stade olympique de Berlin en contient plus de 75.000!.
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935 Posté le 30/09/2023 à 01:23:49
Citation de vilak :
In the course of time Dave reacted increasingly irritated and thin-skinned.
Ah oui en effet il était énervé le Dave. Qu'on lui rabâche encore que le départ d'Alan est bien préjudiciable et que finalement il ne reste que Martin de créatif dans le groupe, il y a de quoi se vénère
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936 Posté le 30/09/2023 à 21:01:01
Citation de vilak :
Lors de ses neuf concerts en août 2023, Depeche Mode a réalisé aux États-Unis des recettes au box-office de 12,7 millions de dollars (près de 12 millions d'euros),
Les ventes de billets pour les deux représentations de Depeche Mode au stade olympique de Berlin ont généré 14,5 millions de dollars (environ 13,5 millions d'euros).
Alan a un deal avec le groupe :
Quand une chanson est jouée en live d'une façon proche de l'arrangement qu'il a fait pour la version studio, il est payé.
S'il prend ne serait-ce que 2 ou 3 % sur les recettes, il ramasse un max de pognon!
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937 Posté le 30/09/2023 à 22:20:20
ils lui envoi une tape ou les arrangements de chaque concert ?
Entre des sons différents et les arrangements, j'avais du mal a reconnaitre le début de certains classiques.
Vite vite changeons tout
Entre des sons différents et les arrangements, j'avais du mal a reconnaitre le début de certains classiques.
Vite vite changeons tout
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938 Posté le 30/09/2023 à 23:47:13
Quoi qu'ils fassent, ils partiront toujours de la version studio.
Les intros de Everything ou Walking ont beau surprendre, elles sont toujours basées sur les versions d'époques.
Prenons le dernier concert (29/09), il y a 11 titres auxquels Alan a participé à la version studio et ils sont joués d'une manière très proches, peu importe l'intro ou l'outro, l'ossature de la chanson reste la même et les sons, même différents, restent bien dans l'esprit original.
Ouais je vois bien une part entre 3 et 5% du grisbi.
Les intros de Everything ou Walking ont beau surprendre, elles sont toujours basées sur les versions d'époques.
Prenons le dernier concert (29/09), il y a 11 titres auxquels Alan a participé à la version studio et ils sont joués d'une manière très proches, peu importe l'intro ou l'outro, l'ossature de la chanson reste la même et les sons, même différents, restent bien dans l'esprit original.
Ouais je vois bien une part entre 3 et 5% du grisbi.
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939 Posté le 01/10/2023 à 00:20:46
Je parle des arrangements live, j'ai connu les live de l'époque Wilder et après Wilder, relativement différents
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940 Posté le 01/10/2023 à 10:50:05
J'avais bien compris et j'en ai tenu compte dans ma réponse.
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941 Posté le 01/10/2023 à 12:32:21
Gam je t'ai répondu trop rapidement, je te dois des précisions sur mon propos.
Toi, tu es un musicien, auditivement, la différence entre les arrangements d’antan et de maintenant vont te sauter à la figure.
L'auditeur lambda, lui, va penser différemment.
Changer la ligne de batterie, rendre un peu plus soul un titre qui est rock (PJ par ex.), ne suffit pas à mon humble avis.
Franchement, à par le Zephyr Mix de IYR, il n'y a pas à dire, c'est du Wilder.
Après je ne connais pas les termes du contrat, mais ce serait malhonnête, et sans doute discutable en justice, de ne pas rétribuer Alan malgré ces petits changements cosmétiques.
Personne n'ayant envie d'emmerdes, tous le monde se satisfaisant de ces énormes revenus, je pense que leur deal est mutuellement profitable et qu'ils ne font pas de vague avec ça.
Toi, tu es un musicien, auditivement, la différence entre les arrangements d’antan et de maintenant vont te sauter à la figure.
L'auditeur lambda, lui, va penser différemment.
Changer la ligne de batterie, rendre un peu plus soul un titre qui est rock (PJ par ex.), ne suffit pas à mon humble avis.
Franchement, à par le Zephyr Mix de IYR, il n'y a pas à dire, c'est du Wilder.
Après je ne connais pas les termes du contrat, mais ce serait malhonnête, et sans doute discutable en justice, de ne pas rétribuer Alan malgré ces petits changements cosmétiques.
Personne n'ayant envie d'emmerdes, tous le monde se satisfaisant de ces énormes revenus, je pense que leur deal est mutuellement profitable et qu'ils ne font pas de vague avec ça.
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942 Posté le 01/10/2023 à 21:30:20
Music For The Masses
In the beginning of 1987 the band re-arranged Martin's demos for Music for the Masses in Alan's home studio
On 28 September Music for the Masses was released. The album became the band's highest-charting in the U.S. upon its release, reaching No. 35 on the Billboard 200. It also contained more hit singles than any of their previous releases.
SDE.com interview with Dave Bascombe 2019 :
When you started the album, who finished the songs? Were there demos etc.?
DB: That was an interesting process which I found was a bit strange – and I presume this is historical and they’ve probably done it when they were working with Daniel – but Martin would have demos, which were fairly basic – obviously no-one had the facilities to do much more at the time – and then Alan would take them and basically work on them at home and rearrange them, and I’d go over occasionally and chuck a few suggestions in, but I found that quite odd.
In the beginning of 1987 the band re-arranged Martin's demos for Music for the Masses in Alan's home studio
On 28 September Music for the Masses was released. The album became the band's highest-charting in the U.S. upon its release, reaching No. 35 on the Billboard 200. It also contained more hit singles than any of their previous releases.
SDE.com interview with Dave Bascombe 2019 :
When you started the album, who finished the songs? Were there demos etc.?
DB: That was an interesting process which I found was a bit strange – and I presume this is historical and they’ve probably done it when they were working with Daniel – but Martin would have demos, which were fairly basic – obviously no-one had the facilities to do much more at the time – and then Alan would take them and basically work on them at home and rearrange them, and I’d go over occasionally and chuck a few suggestions in, but I found that quite odd.
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943 Posté le 03/10/2023 à 17:54:53
Préparation du Devotional Tour :
Alan explained. “All the live tracks were restructured by myself although the running order for the show was a collective decision. It's a lot of hard work and involves imagining the songs in a different way from the album versions. But it also was fun. The motivation was that if I was going to play those older songs for 18 months on the road, then they had to be revitalised to make it an enjoyable task.
“Unfortunately, putting the Devotional live show together proved to be more of a handful than either myself or Steve had bargained for. It isn't just about revamping the songs. There are a million other jobs to be tackled like deciding what will be on the backing tapes and what will be live, or who will play what parts and how that will effect the way I program the keyboards (which is a logistical nightmare in itself!) “There are also questions about the track running order and the different set lists themselves - this was to be a long haul and to play exactly the same songs night after night for 15 months would have been agony.
You also have to consider each different country because every audience reacts differently, preferring favourite songs that have been particular to their territory. Consequently, we had 4 setlists - red, green, yellow, blue - with a similar overall structure but some variation in terms of which ballads and encores we'd perform.
“We knew when we started that we didn't have a lot of time on our hands and it didn't help that the Roland sequencer was giving us continual problems. However, we persevered and had nearly completed the work when disaster struck. The machine couldn't handle the sheer volume of traffic we were demanding from it and one day the whole system just crashed - we lost everything. Three and a half months of work. Luckily we had had the foresight to back up all the music onto multitrack but the edits had gone.”
Le coupable :
Alan explained. “All the live tracks were restructured by myself although the running order for the show was a collective decision. It's a lot of hard work and involves imagining the songs in a different way from the album versions. But it also was fun. The motivation was that if I was going to play those older songs for 18 months on the road, then they had to be revitalised to make it an enjoyable task.
“Unfortunately, putting the Devotional live show together proved to be more of a handful than either myself or Steve had bargained for. It isn't just about revamping the songs. There are a million other jobs to be tackled like deciding what will be on the backing tapes and what will be live, or who will play what parts and how that will effect the way I program the keyboards (which is a logistical nightmare in itself!) “There are also questions about the track running order and the different set lists themselves - this was to be a long haul and to play exactly the same songs night after night for 15 months would have been agony.
You also have to consider each different country because every audience reacts differently, preferring favourite songs that have been particular to their territory. Consequently, we had 4 setlists - red, green, yellow, blue - with a similar overall structure but some variation in terms of which ballads and encores we'd perform.
“We knew when we started that we didn't have a lot of time on our hands and it didn't help that the Roland sequencer was giving us continual problems. However, we persevered and had nearly completed the work when disaster struck. The machine couldn't handle the sheer volume of traffic we were demanding from it and one day the whole system just crashed - we lost everything. Three and a half months of work. Luckily we had had the foresight to back up all the music onto multitrack but the edits had gone.”
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Le "studio intégré numérique" Roland DM-80 de 1992 .
Alan Wilder et Steve Lyon ont préparé dessus toutes les backing tapes du Devotionnal tour, la tournée de Depeche Mode de 1993.
La version 8 pistes qu'ils ont utilisée coutait 63.000 francs, époque ou le SMIC brut approchait les 6.000 francs en France.
La machine a planté et tout a été perdu, le groupe a porté plainte contre Roland et a gagné.
Source : Alan Wilder
La fiche Audiofanzine :
https://fr.audiofanzine.com/studio-numerique/roland/DM-80/
Un article en anglais à la sortie du produit en 1992 :
https://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/roland-dm80/9451
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944 Posté le 04/10/2023 à 19:24:28
Martin Gore @ SOTU recording sessions, 2008 :


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945 Posté le 04/10/2023 à 19:41:33
Je ne l'avais jamais vu celle ci. Il y a pourtant beaucoup de photos de ces sessions, car ils avaient sortis un gros coffret avec photos et making off video.
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946 Posté le 04/10/2023 à 20:02:59
Pff c'est le bordel, il n'est vraiment pas soigneux 
Sinon étonnant que Alan se plaigne de la mise en place des backing tapes pour la tournée Devotional. À chaque tournée c'était pareil non ? C'était loin d'être la première fois ?
Sinon étonnant que Alan se plaigne de la mise en place des backing tapes pour la tournée Devotional. À chaque tournée c'était pareil non ? C'était loin d'être la première fois ?
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947 Posté le 04/10/2023 à 20:28:55
Oui mais là tous les "vieux titres" ont été profondément refondus et aucun n'a été repris d'une vieille backing tape.
Bref, là, au lieu de douze ou quinze titres, il lui a fallut en faire près de 25.
Et le coup du plantage du DM-80 lui a encore compliqué la tache.
Comme il ne parle pas sur le moment mais bien après cette période, le souvenir qu'il en a est naturellement assez sombre.
Bref, là, au lieu de douze ou quinze titres, il lui a fallut en faire près de 25.
Et le coup du plantage du DM-80 lui a encore compliqué la tache.
Comme il ne parle pas sur le moment mais bien après cette période, le souvenir qu'il en a est naturellement assez sombre.
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948 Posté le 04/10/2023 à 21:53:59
Clique droit puis "ouvrir l'image dans un nouvel onglet" pour la résolution maximale.


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949 Posté le 04/10/2023 à 23:05:59
Merci. C’est tiré de quel mag?
Edit : Rolling Stones HS.
Edit : Rolling Stones HS.
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950 Posté le 07/10/2023 à 09:11:37
AS HE HAD DONE ON ULTRA, DAVE WROTE SOME SONGS FOR EXCITER, AND PLAYED THE DEMOS TO MARTIN. BOTH TIMES HE FAILED.
“The only time really that I plucked up enough courage to do that was during the making of Ultra. I had that song, actually, which then was called The Ocean Song and I played it to Martin, it was a really rough demo, I mean it’s basically me tapping my foot and singing the melody and singing some words. I played it to Martin and he really liked it. And then for whatever reason during the recording it was presented to me that the song didn’t really fit in with the theme.”
THE OCEAN SONG WOULD LATER END UP AS THE B-SIDE OF THE PAPER MONSTER SINGLE I NEED YOU IN 2003, TITLED CLOSER. ALMOST THE SAME THING HAPPENED WHEN HE PLAYED SOME DEMOS TO MARTIN DURING THE MAKING OF EXCITER.
“He nodded his head and let me know that they were pretty good, but he never turned around and said, 'Great, let's record some of these for this album.'”
THIS WOULD LEAD TO PAPER MONSTERS AND SOME INTERNAL PROBLEMS. STRANGELY ENOUGH FLETCH WOULD BLAME DAVE FOR MARTIN NOT REACTING, BECAUSE HE HAD PLAYED THE DEMOS TO MARTIN WHEN HE WAS DRUNK, AND DAVE HADN’T ASKED HIM DIRECTLY IF THE SONGS COULD BE USED FOR THE ALBUM. THIS IS PROBABLY MORE PROOF OF THEIR INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE.
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“The only time really that I plucked up enough courage to do that was during the making of Ultra. I had that song, actually, which then was called The Ocean Song and I played it to Martin, it was a really rough demo, I mean it’s basically me tapping my foot and singing the melody and singing some words. I played it to Martin and he really liked it. And then for whatever reason during the recording it was presented to me that the song didn’t really fit in with the theme.”
THE OCEAN SONG WOULD LATER END UP AS THE B-SIDE OF THE PAPER MONSTER SINGLE I NEED YOU IN 2003, TITLED CLOSER. ALMOST THE SAME THING HAPPENED WHEN HE PLAYED SOME DEMOS TO MARTIN DURING THE MAKING OF EXCITER.
“He nodded his head and let me know that they were pretty good, but he never turned around and said, 'Great, let's record some of these for this album.'”
THIS WOULD LEAD TO PAPER MONSTERS AND SOME INTERNAL PROBLEMS. STRANGELY ENOUGH FLETCH WOULD BLAME DAVE FOR MARTIN NOT REACTING, BECAUSE HE HAD PLAYED THE DEMOS TO MARTIN WHEN HE WAS DRUNK, AND DAVE HADN’T ASKED HIM DIRECTLY IF THE SONGS COULD BE USED FOR THE ALBUM. THIS IS PROBABLY MORE PROOF OF THEIR INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE.
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