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Sujet de la discussion Depeche Mode
Je m ecoutais du depeche mode la, ,et je me disais que sans eux ya des groupes qui seraient pas comme y sont maintenant...je pense a Paradise lost par exemple...
Vous trouvez pas que c est un groupe culte vous?
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Au post 771, c quel livre? Je l’ai pas lu dans faith and devotion… qui du reste m’inspire grave à descendre dans mon hs… en évitant de prendre de la dope… ce sera pas facile :mrg:

On the internets, nobody knows you are a dog

I try

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Ah celle-là y avait pas de citation, donc origine inconnue.
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La photo Barbie :bravo:

(d'actualité en plus :mrg:)

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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Citation de kosmix :
La photo Barbie :bravo:

(d'actualité en plus :mrg:)


Gnagnagna!!!!

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C'est bien plus classe ! :bravo:

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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“Alan Wilder is now a permanent member of Depeche Mode … although he didn’t play on the last three hit singles or A Broken Frame, he will be joining Dave, Martin and Andy in the studio from now on.”

So, they didn’t mind him being that critical year older, after all. Yet it said a lot about the band’s awkward, self-conscious nature in those days that, even cooped up in a tour van for weeks, they couldn’t ask their new colleague face-to-face if he would go full-time.

“Daniel Miller phoned me [to tell him],” Wilder laughed to Steve Malins in Depeche Mode: A Biography. “I think the band found it difficult to be the bearers of good news, as well as bad …”

Gittins, Ian. Depeche Mode: Faith and Devotion
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While Gahan’s life festered in Los Angeles, back in England there was no communication between Alan Wilder and the other members of Depeche Mode.

In early summer 1995 he called a meeting in London with Andy Fletcher and Martin Gore to inform them he was leaving the band.

This came as no surprise to Daniel Miller who was sure at least one band member would bail out after the Devotional tour.

‘I knew something had to give,’ says Miller. ‘I knew that the four of them could never work together again. That was not going to happen. They had some kind of a discussion at some point, I can’t remember when, and Alan said, “Look, the next album I don’t really want you guys to be around in the studio.” And that was it really.
If somebody had to go it had to be Al. In the chemistry of the band, somehow, Fletch couldn’t go because him and Mart were part of the same thing in a sense and Mart’s the songwriter, so it had to be Alan. He was the one who was laying down the law a bit and saying this is how he wanted it to be for the next album.
All the others were saying, “Well, that’s not how we see things for the next record.”’

Malins, Steve. Depeche Mode: The Biography
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Malheureusement c'est le meilleur qui a quitté le navire.

Par-contre je ne vois pas en quoi Fletcher était indispensable et donc pourquoi il ne pouvait pas partir.

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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Citation de kosmix :

Par-contre je ne vois pas en quoi Fletcher était indispensable et donc pourquoi il ne pouvait pas partir.


Fletcher était le ciment du groupe, il s'occupait également de la communication
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Ben j'aurais préféré qu'Alan reste parce que ciment ou pas sans lui le groupe bof quoi.

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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J'aurais préféré aussi, surtout que quelques temps après, Fletch a dit que si Wilder n'était pas parti, c'est lui qui aurait quitté DM.
Je préfère croire que c'est un mensonge sinon ce serait trop cruel.
T'imagine, si Alan avait attendu le retour en studio à NY et que Fletch, voyant que Alan est toujours là, dise : "je quitte le groupe".
Bad timing...

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Fletcher: ‘I don’t think the ideas have changed at all ... we just replaced Alan, as such, with a team of people.’ Gore also remained dismissive of Wilder’s contribution, insisting the new band set-up was preferable: ‘Dave Clayton, the musician we are currently working with now, in a way fulfils Alan’s role, but it’s far easier to manipulate him. If Alan didn’t like something, I am sure he would play it badly, but if we say to Dave, “can you try this out for us”, he’ll try it and he’ll try his hardest to make it work for us. So I really enjoy the whole set up.’
Simenon was given very little direction from Gore, who just informed him he wanted the songs to be quite beat-oriented.
Dave Gahan : ‘Martin really enjoys working with Tim because Tim likes to work in the same sort of process as Martin, so they get on very well. I think Flood was a little more experimental and I don’t mean that in a bad way to Tim, but Flood was willing to try a lot more stuff musically and dig deeper than sort of going with the same format of just programming everything, every song.’

A Biography - Steve Malins
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Putain, je vais le lire! Trop cool les livres de rock merci

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[ Dernière édition du message le 19/07/2023 à 21:59:54 ]

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C'est vraiment parti en couilles avec le Devotional Tour. Clairement Wilder n'était pas épanoui artistiquement dans le groupe (et probablement pas reconnu à sa juste valeur) et puis Gahan a fait n'importe-quoi, Fletch fait une dépression, bref un sacré bordel.

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

790
C'est clair!

The delay in completing Songs of Faith and Devotion was particularly stressful for Alan Wilder who had to do all the preprogramming for the upcoming world tour. ‘Booking the tour upfront was a problem,’ confesses Miller. ‘They were in the studio for months, straight into rehearsals and promotion of the album, then they had to go on tour. They’d had a couple of breaks in recording but the deadline wasn’t set to get the record out, it was all because of the tour. This made things very intense, especially for Alan who had to work on the backing tapes for the shows.’

In January 1993, five months before they were due to set off, Wilder and Steve Lyon finally started work on the ‘live’ music at Olympic Studios and then at Wilder’s own studio in West Sussex. In stark contrast to the more sociable pre-tour work on Violator, Steve Lyon immediately noted the absence of the other band members: ‘Alan and me didn’t see anyone for three or four months. It was a very different situation to the run-up to the World Violation tour.
We just locked ourselves away, sampling stuff from Depeche Mode records and basically creating another album.’ This pre-tour work was quite complex, as it effectively meant they were re-recording the whole of the new album and rearranging a lot of Depeche Mode’s back catalogue.

‘Unfortunately, putting the Devotional live show together proved to be more of a handful than either myself or Steve had bargained for,’ notes Wilder.

Malins, Steve. Depeche Mode: The Biography .
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En plus il se tapait tout le boulot. Quelle ingratitude...

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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Deux pour le prix d'une :
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Gore. ‘We went into the studio with a very relaxed attitude: let’s get back together, see how we’re getting on, see how things go in the studio without Alan.’
‘All of a sudden they started to remember what Alan Wilder did,’ discloses Miller with a wry smile. The void left by the recently departed band member was filled on a practical, day-to-day level by the new producer and his studio team,
Malins, Steve. Depeche Mode: The Biography .

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Alan struck a deal with DM that he gets paid if DM perform songs the way he produced them in the studio.
(Et après on se demande pourquoi c'est toujours le Zephyr mix qui est joué pour In Your Room)
793
Une troisième spéciale pour toi mon Kosmixou!

Alan Wilder asked to join The Cure in 1995 :

Alan Wilder: “It was more of an enquiry, rather than a direct question. I thought it was a joke at first, but I’m assured they were serious. Daryl Bamonte, who used to work for DM and now works within The Cure organisation, asked me. The last thing on my mind was to go and join another band. I never wanted to be in a pop group all of my life — somehow it seems a bit juvenile to be caught up on the pop circuit at the age of nearly 40. As you get older, you don’t want to be tied to just one group of people or one activity.”

BE: Your Wikipedia page states that you were invited to join the Cure in the mid-‘90s. True, or false?

AW: Um, 75% true. They never directly asked me. They asked Daryl [bamonte], who was working for us at the time. Daryl’s brother actually ended up in the Cure, Perry Bamonte. Daryl used to work for Depeche and was very close to Robert Smith, and in fact he ended up working for Robert. Robert asked Daryl to ask me, “Would Alan be interested in joining us?” And of course I had just left Depeche Mode at the time, and the last thing I wanted to do was join any other band. I didn’t want to be in any band at all. I still don’t, in fact. So it was never going to happen.


By David Medsker (davidm@bullz-eye.com)
Interview Date: 05/10/2010

[ Dernière édition du message le 20/07/2023 à 10:16:51 ]

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Je n'avais jamais entendu parler de cette histoire comme quoi le gros Robert lui aurait proposé de rejoindre les curistes. Effectivement ça l'aurait peut-être sauvé de son manque d'inspiration depuis l'atroce Wild Mood Swings et les 3 albums tout aussi merdiques qui ont suivi. L'Histoire et la face du monde en auraient été changées :mrg:
Belle maison et jolie propriété en tous cas, ça ferait une belle résidence secondaire mais bon depuis le Brexit je boude l'Angleterre :mrg:

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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Marrant, je m'attendais sincèrement à ce que tu me répondes un truc du genre "Oui l'histoire est bien connue".
Wilder et Smith étaient proches depuis 84/85, et je pense que le grand sauvage a quelque chose à voir avec l'arrivée des Mirage, JX et Emulator dans les années qui ont suivi, même si je n'ai aucune preuve.
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Le nom de Wilder n'apparaît dans aucune biographie que j'ai lues, mais elles sont toutes antérieures à 95. Aucune mention non plus dans les pages de Wikipedia. En revanche sur la page de Wilder deux phrases abordent la proposition de Smith que Wilder refuse en répondant "non Robert, tu me fais honte" :langue:
(ouais bon OK pour la réponse c'est pas sûr qu'il ait dit exactement ça :mrg:)

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

[ Dernière édition du message le 20/07/2023 à 19:02:39 ]

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Warf.

Bon c'est sur que Wilder et Smith ont probablement tissé des liens lors de beuveries suivant d'heureuses rencontres sur les plateaux TV.

Mais nous sommes en 95, Smith est le dictateur de Cure depuis 9 ans. personne ne le nie, tout le monde le sait.

Alan n'a sans doute pas envie de devenir un employé de Smith Music à 10/15% de parts des revenus et 0% de poids dans la direction musciale, lui qui vient de quitter un groupe où il avait 25% des rentrées et où 90% de ses idées se retrouvaient sur le disque.
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Putain ouais il a grave échappé au pire. Finalement il a du répondre à Robert : "m'embrouille pas mec, tes plans à la con garde-les pour tes esclaves sbires employés lèches-cul-bottes de "membres de ton groupe" :facepalm:

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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Ben visiblement ils ne se sont pas parlés sur ce sujet, tout s'est fait par l'intermédiaire de Daryl.
Mais même les yeux dans les yeux, ça n'aurait sans doute pas changé grand chose.

Non mais franchement, tu imagines Alan dire à Robert, face à face, "Je veux 100% du contrôle de la direction musicale de The Cure"?