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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 27/08/2003 à 18:42:22Depeche Mode
Je m ecoutais du depeche mode la, ,et je me disais que sans eux ya des groupes qui seraient pas comme y sont maintenant...je pense a Paradise lost par exemple...
Vous trouvez pas que c est un groupe culte vous?
Vous trouvez pas que c est un groupe culte vous?
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There was little doubt by the time of Black Celebration that Wilder had wholly taken over the role in the band vacated by Vince Clarke. The others had taken to calling him the “musical director” of Depeche Mode, a title which epitomized his entrenchment in the building of each album from the ground up. The record was difficult in the sense that Gore had his own ideas on how it would sound; dark and menacingly slow. No one else was on that page, and when it came time to do the final mixing, he stepped back and let Wilder, along with Jones and Miller, handle that aspect. It turned out to be for the best, and Wilder has pegged the LP as his favorite of the 1980s.
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828 Posté le 29/07/2023 à 15:56:12
J’aimerais bien écouter les maquettes que Gore faisait
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829 Posté le 29/07/2023 à 16:20:04
C'est vrai que pour Black Celebration, aucune n'a transpiré il me semble.
J'aimerai bien savoir si la séquence qui ressemble au Tubular Bells de Mike Oldfield sur la chanson titre est une idée de Gore ou de Wilder.
J'aimerai bien savoir si la séquence qui ressemble au Tubular Bells de Mike Oldfield sur la chanson titre est une idée de Gore ou de Wilder.
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“I would rather die a thousand deaths than sound like Depeche Mode or Yazoo.”
So griped the Human League’s Phil Oakey, reflecting how many regarded Depeche Mode in 1982 – as the runt of the synthpop litter.
But no band from the early Eighties has endured as successfully as Depeche Mode. By working with Daniel Miller (co-producer of their first six albums and founder of the Mute label
, they retained a control over their music afforded to very few. Unlike most of their contemporaries, they were able to move forward artistically: always a synth band to some extent, they nonetheless outgrew the breezy electro-pop of their first two albums to essentially become, by the late Eighties, a rock act. Whilst other of their peers struggled to even perform live, Depeche Mode would also become a drilled, unstoppable, arena-filling touring force.
So griped the Human League’s Phil Oakey, reflecting how many regarded Depeche Mode in 1982 – as the runt of the synthpop litter.
But no band from the early Eighties has endured as successfully as Depeche Mode. By working with Daniel Miller (co-producer of their first six albums and founder of the Mute label
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831 Posté le 03/08/2023 à 18:24:53
Acheté par Vince Clarke au printemps 81 pour remplacer son Kawai 100-F.
Il voulait juste des mémoires, il se foutait de la polyphonie et dit piteusement que c'est tout ce qu'il a trouvé à ce moment...
C'est l'achat qu'il regrette le plus de toute sa vie.
Il voulait juste des mémoires, il se foutait de la polyphonie et dit piteusement que c'est tout ce qu'il a trouvé à ce moment...
C'est l'achat qu'il regrette le plus de toute sa vie.
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832 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 09:45:47
One of the first songs to be recorded in the Madrid session was ‘Walking In My Shoes’ which is driven by heavy, dirty percussion loops. ‘A lot of people in rap music are using the technology in an interesting way to make their records sound dirty,’ says Wilder. ‘So much of pop music is clean and pristine, and there’s an awful lot of bollocks because of it. I like to try and capture both sounds, to make it clear, with a full frequency range across the board, but also to have a lot of grit. On
“Walking In My Shoes”, for instance, there are different loops in the verse, an additional loop comes in on the bridge, and the chorus brings in a complete change of drum sound and rhythm. Plus there are different drum fills, hi-hat patterns and top percussion parts in each section. The combination of all that gives you the impression of the rhythm changing all the time.’
‘The piano part at the beginning of “Walking In My Shoes” was put through a guitar processor, which distorted it and made it more edgy. We then added a harpsichord sample on top of that. I wanted us to use snippets of performance and different loops, because I found the approach of hip-hop very inventive. You know, DJs coming in and chopping up people’s bits of music, all that.’ Everyone was excited by the song but Daniel Miller felt the optimistic, almost spiritual uplift of the demo was ground out of the final recording. ‘I remember lots of discussion about “Walking In My Shoes”. Everyone had a very different view. I heard it as one of Martin’s classic pop singles, and I think the way it was finished off on the record was almost a deliberate attempt to not make it like that. A classic record company mistake – never say, “That’s the single”, because the band will react against it. I personally don’t think that song reached its potential. The spirit of the demo got lost somehow.’
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“Walking In My Shoes”, for instance, there are different loops in the verse, an additional loop comes in on the bridge, and the chorus brings in a complete change of drum sound and rhythm. Plus there are different drum fills, hi-hat patterns and top percussion parts in each section. The combination of all that gives you the impression of the rhythm changing all the time.’
‘The piano part at the beginning of “Walking In My Shoes” was put through a guitar processor, which distorted it and made it more edgy. We then added a harpsichord sample on top of that. I wanted us to use snippets of performance and different loops, because I found the approach of hip-hop very inventive. You know, DJs coming in and chopping up people’s bits of music, all that.’ Everyone was excited by the song but Daniel Miller felt the optimistic, almost spiritual uplift of the demo was ground out of the final recording. ‘I remember lots of discussion about “Walking In My Shoes”. Everyone had a very different view. I heard it as one of Martin’s classic pop singles, and I think the way it was finished off on the record was almost a deliberate attempt to not make it like that. A classic record company mistake – never say, “That’s the single”, because the band will react against it. I personally don’t think that song reached its potential. The spirit of the demo got lost somehow.’
The Biography .
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833 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 10:34:58
Merci pour ces nombreux partages. Tous très interessant
Effectivement, je ne me souviens pas de demo de BC.
Tu fait allusion à "It Doesn’t matter two" ? Je pense que l’inspiration est davantage à chercher du côté de chez Philip Glass.
D’ailleurs, je trouve que l’ombre de Glass plane sur une grosse partie de BC. Il faut réécouter ses prods des 80s, ça me semble flagrant. Je crois me souvenir d’une interview de cette époque ou Wilder dit en écouter, au contraire de Gore. Ma conviction est que cette idée d’arrangement provient de Wilder, mais je n’en ai aucune preuve.
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C'est vrai que pour Black Celebration, aucune n'a transpiré il me semble.
J'aimerai bien savoir si la séquence qui ressemble au Tubular Bells de Mike Oldfield sur la chanson titre est une idée de Gore ou de Wilder.
Effectivement, je ne me souviens pas de demo de BC.
Tu fait allusion à "It Doesn’t matter two" ? Je pense que l’inspiration est davantage à chercher du côté de chez Philip Glass.
D’ailleurs, je trouve que l’ombre de Glass plane sur une grosse partie de BC. Il faut réécouter ses prods des 80s, ça me semble flagrant. Je crois me souvenir d’une interview de cette époque ou Wilder dit en écouter, au contraire de Gore. Ma conviction est que cette idée d’arrangement provient de Wilder, mais je n’en ai aucune preuve.
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834 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 10:40:41
Non non je parle bien de "Black Celebration" la chanson :
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835 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 11:14:15
Ah ben oui, c’est vrai. Tu as raison. C’est évident en plus 
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836 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 12:01:12
Tellement évident que j'ai passé les trente dernières années sans m'en rendre compte. Et c'est une chanson que j'écoute très très souvent.
Et puis paf, en regardant cette vidéo de Mike y a quelques jours, ça a fait titl!
Et puis paf, en regardant cette vidéo de Mike y a quelques jours, ça a fait titl!
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837 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 12:58:00
Je pense que quand on connait des trucs depuis l'enfance ou la jeune adolescence, on a du mal à entendre/voir des choses évidentes, tellement c'est ancré en nous, tellement c'est familier.
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838 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 21:21:12
Ça n’a rien à voir 
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839 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 21:44:06
En gros ils étaient fan de l'Exorcist
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840 Posté le 05/08/2023 à 22:13:09
La présence de fletch s'explique tout d'un coup...
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841 Posté le 10/08/2023 à 13:41:57
Alan Wilder :
**-Contractually, I have rights to be fully consulted about all aspects of recordings I was involved in, like which versions are used, artwork, label copy, promo items, marketing ideas, et cetera. Sometimes it is a struggle, though, for a leaving [band] member to be heard — out of sight, out of mind — and often it is assumed that because I left, I either don’t care or have given up all these rights. Not so.”
**-The compilation is really a historical piece, which, in my opinion, correctly remains faithful to all the original 7” releases (as did The Singles 81>85). I personally feel this is the right way to go even though [it doesn’t] necessarily [include] the best version of’Behind The Wheel’. The same also applies to a number of other tracks on the record, however; everybody has different opinions about their favourite versions and it would have been absolutely impossible for us all to agree. I was outvoted on ‘In Your Room’ at the time of its original release, but since that was the decision, for this release, the correct version [butch Vig’s ‘Jeep Rock Mix’] has been chosen.”
“As much as I like Intro’s style, I think it’s rather out of sync with a DM greatest hits release — with The Singles 86>98 you’re not just selling the music, you’re selling the image and the memories. Intro’s token rendition of some of the previous symbols — like the [Violator-em] rose, for example — looked a little ridiculous, but some of the main photos looked great. There is nothing wrong with change, I just feel the timing is wrong.
**-Contractually, I have rights to be fully consulted about all aspects of recordings I was involved in, like which versions are used, artwork, label copy, promo items, marketing ideas, et cetera. Sometimes it is a struggle, though, for a leaving [band] member to be heard — out of sight, out of mind — and often it is assumed that because I left, I either don’t care or have given up all these rights. Not so.”
**-The compilation is really a historical piece, which, in my opinion, correctly remains faithful to all the original 7” releases (as did The Singles 81>85). I personally feel this is the right way to go even though [it doesn’t] necessarily [include] the best version of’Behind The Wheel’. The same also applies to a number of other tracks on the record, however; everybody has different opinions about their favourite versions and it would have been absolutely impossible for us all to agree. I was outvoted on ‘In Your Room’ at the time of its original release, but since that was the decision, for this release, the correct version [butch Vig’s ‘Jeep Rock Mix’] has been chosen.”
“As much as I like Intro’s style, I think it’s rather out of sync with a DM greatest hits release — with The Singles 86>98 you’re not just selling the music, you’re selling the image and the memories. Intro’s token rendition of some of the previous symbols — like the [Violator-em] rose, for example — looked a little ridiculous, but some of the main photos looked great. There is nothing wrong with change, I just feel the timing is wrong.
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842 Posté le 10/08/2023 à 18:46:24
“The best thing that happened to Dave was his arrest. They forced him to go into rehab and told him that if he didn’t come out clean, then he would be chucked out of America, and I think his love for America, and his desire to be able to work there and live there as much as he wanted — plus he suddenly realised the impact everything was having on the band — helped him through that.” —Daniel Miller, 2001
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843 Posté le 12/08/2023 à 07:39:27
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Wilder’s main keyboard was actually longer than his colleagues’ — more out of necessity than ego,
“The Akai keyboard was used as a ‘mother’ keyboard, because it had more keys on its board than the Emax — and I needed as many keys as I could get. It was still, however, triggering [offstage] Emax sounds via MIDI. The Emax keyboard itself was for backup only, which, when needed, would still have been accessed through the mother keyboard.” As had been the case with past performances, there were no rules as to who played what keyboard parts on-stage. “It was a question of logistics,” Alan Wilder claimed.
“I would just spread the sounds over the keyboards as conveniently as possible.” “Conveniently as possible” usually meant Wilder giving himself the trickier parts to play: “None of the individual parts were tough, but I had many different bits to play in quick succession [on ‘Walking In My Shoes’] that occasionally led [me] to having to cross hands to play a part (with my left hand) at the top of the keyboard, while also playing a part with my right hand, as well as changing a preset with a foot pedal.”
Wilder’s main keyboard was actually longer than his colleagues’ — more out of necessity than ego,
“The Akai keyboard was used as a ‘mother’ keyboard, because it had more keys on its board than the Emax — and I needed as many keys as I could get. It was still, however, triggering [offstage] Emax sounds via MIDI. The Emax keyboard itself was for backup only, which, when needed, would still have been accessed through the mother keyboard.” As had been the case with past performances, there were no rules as to who played what keyboard parts on-stage. “It was a question of logistics,” Alan Wilder claimed.
“I would just spread the sounds over the keyboards as conveniently as possible.” “Conveniently as possible” usually meant Wilder giving himself the trickier parts to play: “None of the individual parts were tough, but I had many different bits to play in quick succession [on ‘Walking In My Shoes’] that occasionally led [me] to having to cross hands to play a part (with my left hand) at the top of the keyboard, while also playing a part with my right hand, as well as changing a preset with a foot pedal.”
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844 Posté le 14/08/2023 à 19:54:57
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After Milan’s ‘vibey’ mix of experimentation and city nightlife, the band knuckled down at Puk in Denmark, where most of Violator was recorded. Wilder and Flood toiled for weeks, trying to texture the electronics to give them a human rather than mechanical feeling. The organic, ‘live’ elements had definitely added a new feel to the music but the art was to make the join between man and machine invisible, so that you couldn’t detect where one started and the other finished. ‘I found myself sitting in a field in northern Denmark where all you could do there was work,’ remembers Flood. ‘That was a very creative session, although Fletch was going through a difficult period in his life and he had to leave to sort himself out.’
During the band’s stay in Puk they were living in two residential cottages. Gahan, Wilder and Daryl Bamonte shared one, while Gore, Fletcher and Flood stayed in the other. Wilder remembers hearing from Flood and Gore that their live-in mate was moping around the cottage all day. Eventually it got so bad that everyone suggested he should fly back to London and get some professional help. According to Wilder,
‘He saw a specialist psychiatrist but nothing really changed for a long time. He went to various doctors and got different tranquillizer prescriptions and so on. He also went to stay at a place called the Priory but he didn’t really seem to improve. He certainly changed because the drugs he was taking made him manic. I don’t know what they put in that stuff but he was very speedy, so he’d be talking a mile a minute. You could tell it wasn’t his normal self. I don’t think he really got any better for several years. He seemed to go up and down, and he was regularly checking himself in and out of the Priory until I left the group in 1995.’
Malins, Steve. Depeche Mode: The Biography .
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Fletch was dead weight since day one, He was cancer since days two!
P'tain qu'est-ce que je vais prendre dans la gueule!!!!!!!!
After Milan’s ‘vibey’ mix of experimentation and city nightlife, the band knuckled down at Puk in Denmark, where most of Violator was recorded. Wilder and Flood toiled for weeks, trying to texture the electronics to give them a human rather than mechanical feeling. The organic, ‘live’ elements had definitely added a new feel to the music but the art was to make the join between man and machine invisible, so that you couldn’t detect where one started and the other finished. ‘I found myself sitting in a field in northern Denmark where all you could do there was work,’ remembers Flood. ‘That was a very creative session, although Fletch was going through a difficult period in his life and he had to leave to sort himself out.’
During the band’s stay in Puk they were living in two residential cottages. Gahan, Wilder and Daryl Bamonte shared one, while Gore, Fletcher and Flood stayed in the other. Wilder remembers hearing from Flood and Gore that their live-in mate was moping around the cottage all day. Eventually it got so bad that everyone suggested he should fly back to London and get some professional help. According to Wilder,
‘He saw a specialist psychiatrist but nothing really changed for a long time. He went to various doctors and got different tranquillizer prescriptions and so on. He also went to stay at a place called the Priory but he didn’t really seem to improve. He certainly changed because the drugs he was taking made him manic. I don’t know what they put in that stuff but he was very speedy, so he’d be talking a mile a minute. You could tell it wasn’t his normal self. I don’t think he really got any better for several years. He seemed to go up and down, and he was regularly checking himself in and out of the Priory until I left the group in 1995.’
Malins, Steve. Depeche Mode: The Biography .
Mon commentaire en direct maintenant right now:
Fletch was dead weight since day one, He was cancer since days two!
P'tain qu'est-ce que je vais prendre dans la gueule!!!!!!!!
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845 Posté le 14/08/2023 à 22:01:40
Il parle de Dave Gahan dans l'article ? (le "live-in mate").
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846 Posté le 14/08/2023 à 22:13:40
No de Fletch. C'était lui le colloc de Gore et Flood. Les trois autres étaient dans une autre barraque.
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847 Posté le 14/08/2023 à 22:15:37
Donc Andy Fletcher avait des problèmes mentaux depuis l'enregistrement de Violator ?
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Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?
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848 Posté le 14/08/2023 à 22:21:18
Je sais pas...
Je pense que tu nais dépressif. Selon ta vie et les coups que tu prends dans la gueule, un jour ça a un impact sur ton quotidien et celui de ton entourage.
Je pense que tu nais dépressif. Selon ta vie et les coups que tu prends dans la gueule, un jour ça a un impact sur ton quotidien et celui de ton entourage.
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849 Posté le 15/08/2023 à 10:12:58
Alan Wilder: “Nobody enjoyed business meetings very much. In fact, Martin would always do his best to avoid them — mainly because there would usually be an ‘off’ at any given point, typically over something trivial. The two members who were most prone to scrapping were the two that, luckily, never actually came to blows!”
While Wilder’s professionalism prevented him from naming names, Gahan had no such qualms.
“Fletch has had a fight with everyone [in Depeche Mode] but me,” he told Gavin Friday. “He’s never actually tried to hit me. But just lately I think he’s potentially been thinking about it.”
Jonathan Miller. Stripped.
While Wilder’s professionalism prevented him from naming names, Gahan had no such qualms.
“Fletch has had a fight with everyone [in Depeche Mode] but me,” he told Gavin Friday. “He’s never actually tried to hit me. But just lately I think he’s potentially been thinking about it.”
Jonathan Miller. Stripped.
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850 Posté le 15/08/2023 à 17:22:41
Bonne ambiance.
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