Synthés dans la variété internationale dans les années 70 et 80.
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vilak

Salut,
Je me suis souvent demandé quels étaient les synthés de prédilection sur un certain nombre de tubes 80s en variété/synthpop internationale qui ont quelques riffs mémorables.
Toutes infos bienvenues
Alors on commence par celui-là.
Pro-one pour la basse et le synthé.
Pour le rythme j'entends divers sources : TR-808 + ARP 2600 ou TR-808 + Pro-one

kosmix

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

vilak

Robert s'est essayé à plein d'instruments acoustiques. Pour des résultats en général assez anecdotiques...
C'est un comportement primaire mais bon, il a la foi!
Des bisous!!!!

kosmix


On dirait que ça a été fait lors du tournage du clip de Lullaby.
Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

vilak

Le mec qui touille la cuillère on reconnait bien Lol et il a déjà pris la porte quand Lullaby est tourné.

kosmix


Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

vilak

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Toujours Smith de la même ITW :
"No-one is really tied to their instrument; apart from Boris on drums; everyone else apart from Lol (who can't play guitar or bass), but me Simon and Porl all play bass, guitar and keyboards, but we only credit Simon with playing bass as he doesn't want anyone to know he plays keyboards, he thinks it's a girly instrument. Usually what happens is we work for expediency's sake. I play something rough, and we figure who's going to play it best — there's no pride in sticking to your own instrument..."
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"We got an acceptable brass section up by MIDI-ing the Emulator and the Mirage together, and sometimes the JX8P as well, and that was left standing, that was our horn section... we were actually going to double all the horn parts, though we made sure they sounded as close as possible, because that influences the way that other instruments work.
We were planning to do the horns in Nassau, in Compass Point, and I found this sax player in a bar there. First he played on 'Hey You' and 'Icing Sugar', and we then were going to get his brass section down, but he thought that the synth brass on 'Hey You' was real, so we reckoned we may as well leave it. Also because I was there on my own, I was feeling the pressure by then, and I couldn't stand the thought of trying to co-ordinate four unknown brass players..."

kosmix

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

vilak

« Tant de choses ne peuvent pas rester en cadence de toute façon... la Linn ne joue pas dans le temps alors qu’elle est censée remplacer un vrai batteur qui ne fait pas d'erreur, même de façon naturelle. La Linn a un décalage de 20 millisecondes. Nous avons réglé un oscilloscope sur plusieurs Bàr et séquenceurs pour voir à quel point ils gardaient le tempo, et celle qui s'en est la mieux sortie était la Roland TR808 qui a un décalage de seulement 2 millisecondes. C’etait même mieux que le Synclavier. Certes la TR a des sons pourris, mais nous avons fini par faire passer beaucoup de chose par son trig parce c'est elle qui est la plus précise.»


kosmix


Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

emx

https://www.the-sisters-of-mercy.com/tech/doktors.htm
https://www.the-sisters-of-mercy.com/tech/tech-i.htm
The TR808 was really the first serious drum machine. The kick and snare still needed savage eq (and they didn't take kindly to it), the tom-toms were a complete waste of time, but otherwise it was a decent machine. Individual outputs, tunable drums, enough memory.
Ben Gunn once managed to press the TR808's dangerous red button as we were about to go onstage in Brussels, so Andrew had to reprogram the whole damn machine while everybody else was tuning their guitars up (slowly).

emx

Roland Chorus Echo (always broken) but the best thing on the planet - when it works - for putting chorus on a bass guitar. The Cure probably have twenty-seven of these (so we're not too bothered about ours not working).
Roland TR808. In the early nineties, as acid house was developing a cult around this drum machine, it was suddenly very fashionable to riff along to TR808 sounds. We did that almost ten years earlier, when the cocktail drinking classes and the NME thought it was a bloody stupid idea. (One wet afternoon in the early eighties, we switched the Doktor to play the usual stuff but twice as fast. Hey presto! Drum'n'bass! This was interesting for about ten minutes. Even Cabaret Voltaire couldn't manage to make it interesting for much longer. Please don't tell us it's interesting now.)
Sacré Andrew


vilak

Ahahah les fans de TR-808 vont adorer : des sons pourris, pas de drift du sequencer, c'est à l'opposé de ce qu'ils pensent
Martin Lee Gore (Composition of Sound, VCMG) :
"Les Bàr Korg KR-55 et Roland TR-808 ont de bonnes snares"


vilak

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kosmix


L'orgue à tuyaux : bon c'était pas une bonne idée

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

erewhon

c'était pas une bonne idée
Ouais, juste un mauvais tuyau...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...

vilak


kosmix

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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vilak

Ben pour l'époque c'était une machine de ouf.
Kileni?
Et puis si Berhinger s'y intéresse, c'est que c'est pas du popo!!!!!
De gros gros gros bisous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

erewhon

Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...

Push-Pull

En fait, la "machine-qui-fait-tout" est restée un gros fantasme chez pas mal de constructeurs. Et avec toujours beaucoup de déceptions au final !
Je propose qu'on évite de parler de Behri dans ce thread, puisqu'il n'a absolument rien amené dans les années 80.

vilak

C'est vrai que dans le synthé, ce fantasme d'atteindre la perfection a provoqué bien des déboires financiers...
Je crois que Vincent John Martin en a un qui est encore en état de marche pour celui-là. :

Push-Pull

ce qui est quand même un gage de qualité
Un gage d'opportunité marketing, nuance.
Si on prend The Cat, c'est un synthé qui n'intéressait vraiment pas grand monde.
Le Wasp a eu à l'époque un petit succès grâce à son prix, mais on reste loin des Korg MS10 et MS20.
Bref, je te propose d'en rester là avec les

vilak

Pour ta proposition c'est non, je parlerais de ce que je voudrais quand je voudrais, comme toujours.

alex.d.

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