Sujet La class A. c est quoi?
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Massimo Romeo
tous les amplis class A sont chers et semblent ne pas avoir bcp de "fonctions"
le vox par exemple n a pas de disto.
je ne comprends pas ce paradoxe.
pourquoi payer + pour avoir moi de "possibilités"
merci
GillouLyon
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Na.
Massimo Romeo
c est pas ds mon budget ca
GillouLyon
T'as quel budget ?
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Na.
manulonch
En plus en Classe A faut compter la moitié de puissance qu'en AB pour le meme nombre de tubes etc... C'est en fait un dimensionnement special de composants de l'ampli et un reglage de bias special ( a fond a fond a fond )
Et en plus ca chauffe comme c'est pas permis.
Je suis sur le point de me decider a faire un vrai classe A pour essayer ca en ampli guitares.
J'aimes bien casser les reves des gens.... hmmmmm
Bon, pour plus d'infos y'a plus qu'a apprendre l'anglais, j'ai pas envie de traduire.
what is a class A amplifier?
A class A amplifier is defined as one which is biased to a point where plate current in all the output devices flows for the entire 360 degrees of an input cycle, at the full, unclipped output of the amplifier. This is typically done by biasing the output stage halfway between cutoff and saturation, with the plate load impedance to an appropriate value that gives maximum undistorted output power. This is the least efficient method of amplification, because the output devices are dissipating maximum power with no input signal.
For audio amplification, a class A amplifier can be either single-ended or push-pull. Now, you might be thinking, how can a push-pull amplifier be class A? Doesn't one side amplify half the waveform and the other side amplify the other half? Isn't this why we use a phase splitter? These are common misconceptions. You can, indeed have a true class A amplifier that operates in push-pull mode. Amplifier class has absolutely nothing to do with output stage topology. If the output tubes on either side of a push-pull pair are biased in class A (halfway between cutoff and saturation), then the current in each side will still flow for the full 360 degrees of the input cycle, just in opposing directions. As one tube's current increases from the midpoint, or idle, bias current, the other tube's current is decreasing by an equal amount. The output transformer sums these oppositely-phased currents to produce the output waveform in the secondary winding. As one side reaches saturation, the other side reaches cutoff, just as they would in a single-ended class A amplifier. Neither side cuts off at the full, unclipped output power of the amplifier. The output power of a push-pull class A amplifier is exactly twice the output power of a single-ended class A amplifier operating under the same conditions of plate voltage, bias, and effective load impedance.
Another misconception is that of cathode biasing. The method of biasing has nothing to do with the class of operation. You can have a fixed-bias class A amplifier or a cathode-biased class AB amplifier, or vice-versa. The presence of a cathode bias resistor and bypass capacitor is not an indication of class A operation.
There are several advantages to push-pull class A amplification. First, the bias current for each side is flowing in opposite directions in the primary of the output transformer, so they effectively cancel each other out. This lack of static, DC offset current in the output transformer means that the core can be made smaller, because it requires no air gap to prevent core saturation from the static DC offset current. A single-ended class A amplifier output transformer is huge compared to a push-pull class A amplifier of the same power level. The air gap required to prevent core saturation drastically reduces the primary inductance, so the transformer must have a larger core and more windings to achieve the same primary inductance and the same -3dB lower frequency cutoff point. Second, a push-pull class A amplifier output stage will have inherent rejection of power supply ripple and noise. This is because the power supply signal is "common-mode", i.e., it is amplified by each side equally, but since each side is out of phase, it cancels in the output.
The main disadvantage of push-pull class A amplification over single-ended class A, is the necessity for a phase splitter stage to generate the oppositely-phased drive signals. Another "disadvantage", in terms of guitar amplification, is that even-order harmonics generated in the output stage are canceled out in a push-pull output stage (hi-fi guys consider this a great advantage, by the way!). This does not mean that the amplifier generates no even order harmonics, however, because even-order harmonics generated in the preamp stages will pass right through to the output. Only those generated in the output stage itself are canceled.
Which is better, class A or class AB?
From a guitar amplification standpoint, neither class of operation is necessarily better, they are just different. You shouldn't get too hung up on the "class A" designation, because most of the push-pull amplifiers that are supposed to be class A aren't really class A at all, they are just cathode-biased, non-negative feedback class AB amplifiers. Operating class is not the reason for the tonal differences between these amplifiers.
The cathode biasing and lack of negative feedback is one of the main differences between the Vox clones and the Marshall/Fender style stuff. The typical Marshalls and Fenders used a fixed-bias output stage with negative feedback from the output back to the phase inverter input, while the Vox clones use a cathode-biased output stage and no global negative feedback. In addition, the output tubes and preamp stage/phase inverter configurations contribute greatly to the tonal signature of these amplifiers.
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pff... encore lui...
hop >> /ampli-guitare-divers/forums/t.27292,amplis-guitare-classe-a.html
Citation : Fender Deluxe Reverb 65: Classe A, mais pas sûr, à vérifier
Ben non, comme tous les autres soit-disant classe A, il est du type 'cathode biased'
Citation : La classe AB sera a contrario plus dynamique et saturera plus, mais sera moins riche et moins défini. Il n'y aucun ampli destiné à la saturation moderne en classe A, ce sont tous des classe AB.
C'est la remarque que l'on fait entre un ampli type Fender Deluxe Reverb (cathode-bias) et un Super Reverb (fixed-bias)...
Et comble du comble de la coïncidence, si on a un ampli qui permet de passer de 'fixed bias' à 'cathode bias' (soit-disant A à AB), et ben on passe de 40-50W à 30-35W (pour 2 lampes types 6L6 ou EL34.
Conclusion:
Ce n'est pas parce que c'est un ampli classe A (mouais...) que le son sera meilleur. C'est le SON de l'ampli qui doit influencer le choix.
Massimo Romeo
je cherche l ampli de mes reves mais existe t il ?
manulonch
Ben pour ce budget, t'as plus qu'a t'orienter vers du sur mesure ( petite puissance ).
tout est ( presque ) possible.
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Massimo Romeo
mesa boogie me tente bien
mais n aurais je pas un modele de base pour ce prix la? en occaz bien sur
manulonch
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FrenchColdKiss
Voila, c'est du moins ce que j'ai compris, en espêrant ne pas me tromper...
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