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réactions à la news The Beathaven, nouvelle opportunité de carrière ?

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Sujet de la discussion The Beathaven, nouvelle opportunité de carrière ?
The Beathaven est un nouveau site web qui a pour ambition d’offrir aux compositeurs et musiciens de nouvelles opportunités professionnelles.

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Well I wish you a long and productive career. I hope you make great music, that is received gratefully and is enduring and transformative. I'm appreciative of all forums where they discuss helping artists. sincerely, john at the beathaven
https://thebeathaven.com/category/play-with-the-pros-beathaven/
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The tracks at our site are by professional musicians (not amateurs) who are looking for good players to work with. Beathaven is an A&R cultivation system. Access to professional opportunities is valuable, that's why there's a fee. Anything that is valuable has a cost. If your parts are good, you will make revenue, you will be promoting your music worldwide and you will have new contacts to advance your career. Show us your ideas.

I can do better than that (mixing and music, and you can ear it on soundcloud), and i'm not for the moment a "professional". There is no opportunities, as you said, for people like me. And what if you give a real opportunitie? I think it's just impossible, because both you and me knows the issues of musical world nowadays.

So i just stop talking about that, because you could create this site, and i haven't any money to produce my first ep. In this case, i don't want to spend money for nothing else.



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Ludovic, if you have more tracks like "Rivers Flow" and "Vague" contact: artist_relations@thebeathaven.com. I'm sure they would like to discuss ways to distribute those (or other tracks) for you and broaden your reach. You will always retain your publishing and you'll make some new contacts. Just refer to this site. John, Beathaven
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Et depuis quand des gens (qu'on ne connaît pas en plus) veut nous aider dans la musique sans nous trouer le c**!:non:

Ca pue le fric à plein nez!

Au premier abord en lisant l'article de Audiofanzine ça avait l'air bien sympa mais quand on regarde en profondeur! :oo: C'est du foutage de gueule! Comme à chaque fois! L'artiste n'a plus aucune considération... c'est fou! :fache:

Et msieur John de Bite heaven qui insite que patati patata les artistes... oui oui!

Fric fric fric!

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C'est une impossibilité d'entrer en contact avec un type qui met ses compos sur youtube ou soundcloud parce qu'il a tellement peur d'être reconnu ou découvert qu'il utilise un pseudo :mdr: :mdr: :mdr:
Mais ça c'était autrefois... depuis Mister John est arrivé et il va s'occuper de vous !
Que ça vous plaise ou non, vous avez du talent et il va falloir que vous l'acceptiez, non mais !
P'tain, mais c'est quoi... c'est un million ? deux ? trois de branleurs qui te pondent une compo par jour et qui ne sont pas rémunérés. C'est scandaleux.
Le 21ème siècle est vraiment le siècle de l'injustice :((
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A la limite pourquoi pas, mais de façon gratuite à ce moment là ,voir le site se paye a hauteur des 4euros sur les premiers resultats et ensuite c'est pour le zicos,je dirais même que ce sont les types qui posent leurs compos pour avoir des idées a l'oeil qui devraient payer. En fait y'a même pas de debat à avoir ici,on devrait juste fermer le topic.

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que ce sont les types qui posent leurs compos pour avoir des idées a l'oeil qui devraient payer.

:non: Ah non, là tu vas trop loin, faudrait voir à rester à ta place, ça frise l'outrecuidance. On te fait l'insigne honneur de t'inviter à oser mettre ta patte sur des compos fabuleuses ( sisi, ça s'appelle '' des mélodistes ''.
Je t'explique : ce sont des gens qui sifflotent sous la douche et qui à chaque fois te pondent un tube. Mais c'est con parce que ces '' mélodistes '' n'ont jamais posé leurs pattes sur le moindre instrument de leur vie, ont une idée très novatrice du BPM et de la mesure et sont donc obligés de faire appel ( en justice ? ) à un arrangeur pour matérialiser et faire admirer ce génie qui ne demande qu'à s'épanouir.
Nan, ce n'est pas la même chose qu'un DJ ;)
Et tu voudrais les faire payer ? Rôô, t'es trop horrible emka
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T'ain j'ai flippé en lisant ton début de réponse...

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Guys, I've tried to tell you what we're doing at Beathaven. All the information about terms is available at the site. We are offering open session opportunities to users for an access fee. We will not apologize for offering our services for a fee. If you are any good, you will benefit from working with us. We have agreements plainly stated on our site that protect all musicians rights. There is no exploitation, no fraud or anything you have alleged. If you have all the contacts and distribution you need then we wish you well. If you are looking for places to grow your network, collaborate with other players around the world and advance your career, Beathaven is a great place to do so. John
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Ok thank's john .

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Je suis content de lire tous ces commentaires. Bien sûr, ils veulent se faire du fric, comme dans tout business c´est leur but. Et ça sent l´arnaque qui vise certainement les musiciens naifs.

C´est à cet emplacement que je devrais mettre une citation intelligente 

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Citation de johnd_beathaven :
Guys, I've tried to tell you what we're doing at Beathaven. All the information about terms is available at the site. We are offering open session opportunities to users for an access fee. We will not apologize for offering our services for a fee. If you are any good, you will benefit from working with us. We have agreements plainly stated on our site that protect all musicians rights. There is no exploitation, no fraud or anything you have alleged. If you have all the contacts and distribution you need then we wish you well. If you are looking for places to grow your network, collaborate with other players around the world and advance your career, Beathaven is a great place to do so. John


So ok let's say it works, [random guy] pays for a backing track (listened to few of them and honestly few of them sounded professional) and rocks it out, you're amazed by his/her talent/creativity/sense-of-arrangement/musicianship.

Then what do you offer as music opportunities to build/develop one's career ?
Do you have any partnership with big companies/directors to send them composers/arrangers you choose?
Do you have long/short term contracts for the musicians you choose so that they'll be assured they're gonna work (say at least maybe 1 order a month from companies/directors) ?
Given some poorly recorded/pre-arranged tracks I've been listening to on the website, what guarantees that you won't keep ideas from people that are not gonna be chosen ?

To me this idea of paying to record on a backing track is really bad ; composers/arrangers that are struggling to get known and to get job opportunities already have quite a fair amount of material written and/or recorded, we don't want to pay so that some random people decide whether or not our track is suitable for commercial use, especially when the backing tracks we're provided are sometimes terrible ; what would be fair would be to send you guys our -protected- tracks, and if you choose them then you would get a percentage off the orders directors or companies that you have a partnership with do.

But as it is right now, I don't see how you can boost our career as there's no official partnership cited, there is just promises that we'll have better opportunities but nowhere it's written where these opportunities are coming from ; are you working with commercials ? with film directors ? with companies that need music for their advertisement ?
if so, who ? which ones ?

I don't think anyone sensed is ready to pay to be creative, when I do a job either I get paid for it, or I do it for free as a promotional stuff in order to get opportunities, but there's just no way I pay to work, especially when there's no assurance the time I spend will get me actual opportunities and when conditions are a bit obscur.

So you'll need to have names (directors/companies) associated to your website if you want us to believe it's serious, because we all know it, "professional opportunities" can mean everything or... nothing.

Waiting for your reply ;)

Julien
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Putain, ya pas que des truffes en anglais sur AF :-D
Demon R
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Citation de johnd_beathaven :
Well I wish you a long and productive career. I hope you make great music, that is received gratefully and is enduring and transformative. I'm appreciative of all forums where they discuss helping artists. sincerely, john at the beathaven
https://thebeathaven.com/category/play-with-the-pros-beathaven/

Thank you so much John! I have written and arranged thousand of songs on my own and for others, people paid me to compose songs and jingles, others asked me to "program the drums" for their songs and were quite satisfied and happy by the result and were willing to pay me much more.
:-D
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Citation de demon :
Putain, ya pas que des truffes en anglais sur AF :-D


What do you mean?

:-D

"Si t'enregistres à Poudlard, avec l'ingé son Dumbledore, les lois physiques tu peux t'en foutre. Mais dans l'monde réel, les lois physiques, les mesures, le dBFS, tout ça existe bel et bien." youtou

[ Dernière édition du message le 05/03/2016 à 06:01:32 ]

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Citation de demon :
Putain, ya pas que des truffes en anglais sur AF :-D

Faut bien maitriser la langue pour le business si on veut avoir "des opportunités de carrière" :bravo:
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Ludovic, if you have more tracks like "Rivers Flow" and "Vague" contact: artist_relations@thebeathaven.com. I'm sure they would like to discuss ways to distribute those (or other tracks) for you and broaden your reach. You will always retain your publishing and you'll make some new contacts. Just refer to this site. John, Beathaven
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I just have a problem. I didn't composed "river flows in you". it's from Yiruma............
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https://thebeathaven.com/faq/#1445364322373-615d64d6-f2bd

Industry contacts are valuable, several people on this thread do not understand that. Contacts are not just handed out to people on forums. John
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C'est marrant, cela me rappel certains bars ou salles de concert qui te proposent de les payer pour jouer chez eux et en retour tu toucheras une commission sur les boissons ou les entrées...

Moralité, tu te retrouves à payer la location de la salle, faire ta pub et prospecter comme un crevard pour espérer rentrer dans tes frais icon_facepalm.gif

Mais au moins après tu peux te la péter et dire "ouais, j'ai joué à l'Ut...a" !

Oups j'ai failli lacher des noms :-D

Dernière composition "Jean-Jacques"

[ Dernière édition du message le 08/03/2016 à 12:27:20 ]

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C'est ce qu'on appelle un "Systeme de Ponzi", ce pourquoi est tombé madoff et plus près de nous certainement le système de fonctionnement de mymajorcompany, du fifils goldman. Il faut à chaque "génération" de plus en plus de gugus sinon la pyramide s'effondre !
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No, actually it's like being invited into a recording session with professional players, getting royalties for your parts, getting to know the players and producers, hearing their input and wisdom, making some connections and eventually playing on more tracks with them as peers.
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No, actually it's like being invited into a recording session with professional players

Ok, but to be concrete, have some names to give us as example ?

Dernière composition "Jean-Jacques"

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They are listed in the sidebar at the site (where you search for tracks), you can view them there. Also look at our "Play With the Pros" feature in the blog. We do have some professional contributors who are listed by their project group names and not individually. Read the About section on the Homepage to see professional credentials.
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https://thebeathaven.com/featured-track-funky-man/

This article shows how the Beathaven process works and how musicians anywhere can be involved making great music and expanding their reach professionally.

- John
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The resulting tracks go on to be used in tv, film and professional placements worldwide.

How exactly?

.:MonSoundCloud:.

 

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