Behringer UB-Xa
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tomheck
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
Vinnie Johnson
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601 Posté le 16/11/2019 à 22:20:46
sauf qu'un synthétiseur behringer à 20000 euros, c'est vraiment pas une affaire.
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Hors sujet :j'espère qu'ils ne vont pas oser pour le DS-80
[ Dernière édition du message le 16/11/2019 à 22:21:32 ]
martok99
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602 Posté le 17/11/2019 à 08:55:07
synthwalker
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Hors sujet :20 000 euu DSL non !!! il suffi d’attendre un peut dans 10 ans on pourra acheter un Uly Behringer Schmidt 8 pour 500 bal =>
Allumé du potard, amateur d'humour noir, de sarcasmes, de provoque, dérision. Mes messages sont vraiment à lire calmement et sur le ton de l'humour. Ne pas s'en offusquer donc ! :)
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Krapod
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603 Posté le 17/11/2019 à 10:00:04
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Hors sujet :Petit rappel sur les flags.
Pour flaguer un sujet, on clique juste sur le bouton "Flaguer" en bas de la discussion. Ensuite, on utilise le rectangle jaune pour accéder à la liste des sujets que l'on a flagués, tout simplement.
Utiliser le rond jaune (sujets "Participé") est archaïque, puisque si l'on déflague un sujet (bouton "Déflaguer" en bas de la discussion), il apparaît toujours dans les sujets "Participés". Aucun intérêt.
De plus, le rectangle jaune est toujours accessible sur la version desktop d'AF, ainsi que la liste des sujets flagués sur la version mobile.
Donc, les posts "Flag", d'autant plus avec une image de drapeau, ne servent à rien sauf à alourdir le sujet et à montrer à tout le monde que vous y portez de l'intérêt, ce dont tout le monde se fiche.
evangilles
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604 Posté le 17/11/2019 à 12:37:10
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Hors sujet :Hors-sujet: Ok Krapod, ça se tient, mais avec des explications c'est mieux ! J'ai toujours vu des messages "Flag", "Drapeau", "Flagounet" et des blagues intempestives non réprimées. Ok je me tiendrai à carreau et désolé pour la provoc derrière.
marclr17
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605 Posté le 18/11/2019 à 15:38:24
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Hors sujet :oui Krapod, mais si on veut recevoir une alerte par mail à chaque publication dans le topic en question, "flaguer" suffit ?
evangilles
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606 Posté le 18/11/2019 à 16:04:48
Citation de marclr17 :
xHors sujet :oui Krapod, mais si on veut recevoir une alerte par mail à chaque publication dans le topic en question, "flaguer" suffit ?
x
Hors sujet :Marc, tu as assez de mails dans ta boite de réception comme ça.
Krapod
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608 Posté le 18/11/2019 à 21:07:34
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Hors sujet :Citation :Non, pour recevoir une alerte mail sur un sujet spécifique, il faut cliquer sur "Surveiller ce sujet", sous la fenêtre de réponse rapide. Pour suivre par mail tous les posts et nouveaux sujets sur un produit, il faut cliquer sur "S'incrire".mais si on veut recevoir une alerte par mail à chaque publication dans le topic en question, "flaguer" suffit ?
martok99
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609 Posté le 27/05/2021 à 02:23:48
Citation de Vinnie :
Et pourquoi les composants sont plus gros sur le dave smith ob-6 ?
Dave Smith utilise une technologie (sur se synthé là) dite de composants discrets.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composant_discret
C'est a mis chemin avec les 1er Synthé toute en composants traversants (avec des pattes) souder à la main dont les circuits ultra simple de l'époque était quand même énorme car sans aucun circuit intégré (des puces) et des gros composants.
Le tout intégré actuel ou une pusse de quelques millimètre peuvent contenir jusqu'à des milliards de composant (CPU/GPU).
Donc le résultat du discret, c'est plus gros que le matériel avec un fort niveau d'intégration, comme peut produire Behringer, Korg ou Roland par exemple.
L'idée :
Principalement sur tous se qui est à risque (puissance) pour que si sa grille dans 20 piges ou plus, un gars puisse venir le changer pas trop difficilement le composant. Alors que si absolument tout est intégré (dans des puces polyvalente de milliers de composants et fonctions) même le VCA, si la puce qui contiens le VCA par exemple crame, et que tu n'as pas la puce, c'est bon pour la bene car tout est cramé d'un coup.
L'effet pervers c'est que sa coute bien plus cher à fabrique, et du coup plus c'est grand et complexe, plus le risque de panne augmentent aussi
(donc le choix très intégré est pas forcement moins bon, moins fiable ou moins pertinent)
Les composant CMS et un maximum de CI le tout soudé par vague serte c'est difficilement réparable, mais par contre c'est extrêmement fiable de base.
Behringer suit juste une autre logique industriel, autre positionnement tarifaire que Dave Smith pour le OB6 Et le Prophet 6.
Allumé du potard, amateur d'humour noir, de sarcasmes, de provoque, dérision. Mes messages sont vraiment à lire calmement et sur le ton de l'humour. Ne pas s'en offusquer donc ! :)
[ Dernière édition du message le 27/05/2021 à 02:25:49 ]
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