Liste des éditeurs qui autorisent la revente / transfert de licence (et l'inverse)
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 05/04/2021 à 12:46:24Liste des éditeurs qui autorisent la revente / transfert de licence (et l'inverse)
Bonjour à tous,
On nous signale régulièrement des petites annonces de revente de licence qu'on doit supprimer car l'éditeur ne permet pas la revente / transfert.
L'idée de ce topic contributif est de lister les éditeurs qui l'autorisent puis ceux qui ne l'autorisent pas.
Si vous hésitez entre 2 logiciels mais qu'un des 2 éditeurs l'autorise, ça pourrait jouer sur votre décision.
J'éditerai les 2 listes régulièrement à partir de vos contributions.
Idéalement il faudrait donner un lien vers leur 3615 EULA (End User License Agreement) et le coût associé et/ou les conditions (ex: autorisé mais avec hardware seulement).
Merci à tous de faire vivre ce topic !
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On nous signale régulièrement des petites annonces de revente de licence qu'on doit supprimer car l'éditeur ne permet pas la revente / transfert.
L'idée de ce topic contributif est de lister les éditeurs qui l'autorisent puis ceux qui ne l'autorisent pas.
Si vous hésitez entre 2 logiciels mais qu'un des 2 éditeurs l'autorise, ça pourrait jouer sur votre décision.
J'éditerai les 2 listes régulièrement à partir de vos contributions.
Idéalement il faudrait donner un lien vers leur 3615 EULA (End User License Agreement) et le coût associé et/ou les conditions (ex: autorisé mais avec hardware seulement).
Merci à tous de faire vivre ce topic !
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Anonyme
41 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 00:12:50
Chez Plogue, la licence est extrêmement permissive puisque le plugin peut être installé sur autant de machines qu'on veut sans que Plogue ne soit au courant (l'activation ne se sert pas d'Internet, c'est purement local par la reconnaissance de la présence... d'une image attribuée personnellement !). La licence peut tout à fait être transféré mais cela nécessite de la part de Plogue un petit travail (la création d'une nouvelle image qui sera attribuée personnellement au futur possesseur). Plogue demande donc un petit paiement de $20 pour ce travail de transfert. Et ce n'est possible qu'une seule fois pour le plugin, celui-ci devenant NFR pour le nouveau possesseur dès le transfert effectué.
C'est ici :
Plogue license transfer
Et c'est à cette même page qu'on demande le transfert de licence.
Et le vendeur s'engage sur l'honneur à ne plus utiliser sa licence (Plogue joue peut-être un peu naïvement sur la confiance puisque le plugin reste tout à fait utilisable chez l'utilisateur qui vient de vendre sa licence vu qu'il n'a pas nécessairement détruit son exemplaire du plugin ni son image personnelle).
Citation :
We think license transfer fees depend greatly on the type of copy protection involved. Each company doing things differently it makes it difficult for a user to compare them and evaluate what is fair or not. Here are some points to consider:
*The Plogue binary license file that you acquire when buying any of our products contains your name address, email and phone number... not exactly the kind of stuff that you want to give to other people (in fact that's the point of this protection). So it can't just be resold as is.
*We don't use challenge responses, intrusive 'service' software, or buggy dongle/drivers of any kind which ties your hands to a particular machine. Instead, you can install our products on ANY NUMBER of your OWN systems, mix and match Macs and PCs, wipe them clean, ghost the machines, reinstall, and always use the same key.
Since we don't keep any knowledge on where you installed your license, we can't remotely de-authorize them. So no automatic third party solution to exchange licenses is possible, we have to do it ourselves.
We need to take the time, and deal with both parties involved, generate a key for the new user, and invalidate the previous key only in _subsequent_ software updates.
There are advantage and disadvantages to any form of CP. We are taking calculated financial risks with our method. That why we charge some minimal fee to transfer license which is 20 USD per product.
Once the license has been transferred, it cannot be transferred again. (yes... it happened) It becomes essentially an NFR (Not for Resale) product.
Once a user has transferred their license, they can still purchase another one. But they won't be allowed to transfer that license again.
We are not here to screw off anyone, but if we allow license transfers for free, since we can't prove the old user has uninstalled the version of bidule (or chipsounds) that was still _working_, there no additional sale that gets our way. You tell us how that makes it any different than having an illicit copy of our app.
We think we are being reasonable, considering all the aspects of the trade.
C'est ici :
Plogue license transfer
Et c'est à cette même page qu'on demande le transfert de licence.
Et le vendeur s'engage sur l'honneur à ne plus utiliser sa licence (Plogue joue peut-être un peu naïvement sur la confiance puisque le plugin reste tout à fait utilisable chez l'utilisateur qui vient de vendre sa licence vu qu'il n'a pas nécessairement détruit son exemplaire du plugin ni son image personnelle).
Anonyme
42 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 00:18:06
Chez Prosonic Studios, le transfert de licence est interdit. Et c'est même écrit en caractères gras et très gros !
Je ne peux pas reproduire ici la taille des caractères, mais on ne peut vraiment pas passer à côté. C'est ici :
Prosonic Studios
Descendez au chapitre 1.
Citation :
1. LICENSE TERMS
A. Permitted Uses: You may,
I. Store Files on Storage Media (like CD ROM) for a, single, personal back up;
II. Use the Files to create your own larger musical composition(s);
III. Use the larger musical composition(s), that you create, for either profit or non-profit.
B. Prohibited Uses: You may NOT,
I. Distribute the Files or sublicense, transfer, or assign the rights of the Files;
II. Reverse engineer any part of the Files;
III. Remove the copyright from the Files;
IV. Use the Files as part of any product or service that you either sell or give away;
V. Use the Files to create audio loops that you sell or give away;
VI. Use the Files that would in anyway compete with Prosonic Studios, LLC. Prosonic Studios, LLC is in the business of licensing: music software, MIDI patterns & loops, and audio patterns & loops to its customers.
Je ne peux pas reproduire ici la taille des caractères, mais on ne peut vraiment pas passer à côté. C'est ici :
Prosonic Studios
Descendez au chapitre 1.
[ Dernière édition du message le 23/06/2024 à 00:18:44 ]
Anonyme
43 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 00:56:37
Chez Rob Papen je n'ai rien trouvé sur le site web à propos des transferts de licence. Ni dans mon compte.
Sur le site, chaque page de présentation d'un plugin dispose d'un lien "> License terms". En voici quelques uns :
Go2 X license
Albino 3 legend license terms
Predator 3 license
...
A chaque fois c'est le même texte... qui n'évoque pas les transferts de licences.
Et il n'y a pas de FAQ sur les pages en libre service. Il y en a bien une sur les pages du compte perso... mais là encore elle est muette sur les transferts de licence.
Et mes plugins de Rob Papen sont muets aussi sur ce sujet. Si je prends l'un de mes plugins, Vecto par exemple, la seule information sur la licence est celle-ci (et elle n'est visible que lors de l'installation, elle n'est pas accessible depuis le plugin ni parmi les fichiers du répertoire ! J'ai bien fait de l'enregistrer !) :
Ce sont les mêmes informations qui se trouvent dans les pages "> License terms" que j'ai évoquées ci-dessus.
L'activation des plugins de Rob Papen se fait par Challenge/Response. Donc je pense que le transfert doit être possible... mais je n'en ai pas la moindre garantie.
Sur le site, chaque page de présentation d'un plugin dispose d'un lien "> License terms". En voici quelques uns :
Go2 X license
Albino 3 legend license terms
Predator 3 license
...
A chaque fois c'est le même texte... qui n'évoque pas les transferts de licences.
Et il n'y a pas de FAQ sur les pages en libre service. Il y en a bien une sur les pages du compte perso... mais là encore elle est muette sur les transferts de licence.
Et mes plugins de Rob Papen sont muets aussi sur ce sujet. Si je prends l'un de mes plugins, Vecto par exemple, la seule information sur la licence est celle-ci (et elle n'est visible que lors de l'installation, elle n'est pas accessible depuis le plugin ni parmi les fichiers du répertoire ! J'ai bien fait de l'enregistrer !) :
Citation :
License Terms for Rob Papen Vecto powered by RPCX.
The software is provided to the user "as is". Rob Papen and RPCX makes no warranties, either express or implied, with respect to the software and associated materials provided to the user, including but not limited to any warranty of fitness for a particular purpose.
Rob Papen and RPCX does not warrant that the functions contained in the software will meet your requirements, or that the operation of the software will be uninterrupted or error-free, or that defects in the software will be corrected.
Rob Papen and RPCX does not warrant or make any representations regarding the use or the results of the use of the software or any documentation provided therewith in terms of their correctness, accuracy, reliability, or otherwise. No information or advice given by Rob Papen and RPCX shall create a warranty or in any way increase the scope of this warranty.
Rob Papen and RPCX is not liable for any claims or damages whatsoever, including property damage, personal injury, intellectual property infringement, loss of profits, or interruption of business, or for any special, consequential or incidental damages, however caused.
The user is not allowed to distribute the program. Further, the user may not modify, the user may not decompile and the user may not debug the software.
Sounds provided within the Rob Papen and RPCX software are also licensed to the user "as is" with the same terms and the additional term that the user may not copy or sample sounds for soundset distribution use.
Copyright Rob Papen / ConcreteFX 2018
Ce sont les mêmes informations qui se trouvent dans les pages "> License terms" que j'ai évoquées ci-dessus.
L'activation des plugins de Rob Papen se fait par Challenge/Response. Donc je pense que le transfert doit être possible... mais je n'en ai pas la moindre garantie.
Anonyme
44 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 01:43:37
Chez Sound Magic, aucune information non plus. Ni sur le site en accès libre, ni dans le compte utilisateur perso, ni dans les factures,ni dans les fichiers installés, ni dans les plugins eux-mêmes (et j'en ai une quinzaine).
Anonyme
45 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 01:51:11
Chez Superwave, aucune information non plus sur les transferts de licence d'un utilisateur à un autre :
Support
Ni dans les pages produits individuelles, ni dans les fichiers installés avec les plugins (le fichier Readme.txt reprend le même texte que la page ci-dessus, c'est tout), ni dans les plugins eux-mêmes.
Support
Ni dans les pages produits individuelles, ni dans les fichiers installés avec les plugins (le fichier Readme.txt reprend le même texte que la page ci-dessus, c'est tout), ni dans les plugins eux-mêmes.
Anonyme
46 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 01:54:36
Pour Vital, la licence payante n'est pas transférable :
C'est ici :
VitalSource Technologies LLC Terms and Conditions of Use – VitalSource Support
Nota : dans le jargon, TOU ça signifie "Term Of Use".
Citation :
License and Use
We grant you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to access the Site and any Product for your personal use only. Any commercial use, use in violation of these TOUs, or use for data collection and/or profit is not allowed.
You may retrieve and display content from the Site or any Product on a computer or other device, print and copy individual pages, and, subject to the next section, store such pages in electronic form on that device. Additional terms may also apply to certain features, parts, or content of the Site and, where they apply, will be displayed on-screen or accessible via a link ("Other Terms").
You must only use the Site or Product and anything available from the Site or a Product for lawful purposes (complying with all applicable laws and regulations), in a responsible manner, and not in a way that might damage our name or reputation or that of any of our affiliates.
C'est ici :
VitalSource Technologies LLC Terms and Conditions of Use – VitalSource Support
Nota : dans le jargon, TOU ça signifie "Term Of Use".
[ Dernière édition du message le 23/06/2024 à 01:56:13 ]
Anonyme
47 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 02:01:58
Chez TAL (Togu Audio Line), le transfert est autorisé. Il faut aller dans son compte perso et pour chaque plugin acheter on trouve un bouton "Transfer License...". C'est payant :
C'est ici :
MY ACCOUNT
Citation :
Transfer License
You can transfer a license to a new owner for 10$ + VAT. The license will be transferred as soon as our system receives the payment notification. This can take a few minutes.
C'est ici :
MY ACCOUNT
Anonyme
48 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 02:29:28
Chez Three-Body Technology, les transferts de licences sont interdits.
Ce n'est écrit que dans l'EULA qui apparaît à l'installation de chaque plugin (ce n'est écrit nulle part sur le site). En voici une parmi les miennes :
Ce n'est écrit que dans l'EULA qui apparaît à l'installation de chaque plugin (ce n'est écrit nulle part sur le site). En voici une parmi les miennes :
Citation :
Whisper of Loong End User License Agreement
Copyright
This letter of authorization is applicable to all versions of Whisper of Loong. Whisper of Loong is a subordinate brand owned by TBTECH CO., LTD. (TBTECH in short) under independent development and operation. TBTECH reserves its rights of final interpretation of the letter of authorization.
On acquiring permission for authorization
The product serial number released by TBTECH is the only proof of purchase of Whisper of Loong; binary files acquired from other sources are not approved as proof of purchase. Regardless of the case if you lose your serial number,authorization will be suspended. TBTECH will not have any responsibility of your loss.
Use of software under authorization
On the basis of complying with this letter of authorization, you can apply this software and supporting audio samples to commercial or non-commercial music production and publication.
All samples / files are the property of TBTECH, and are therefore licensed to only to the purchaser who purchased this product from TBTECH or authorized TBTECH dealers only, for use as part of a live or recorded musical performance or for use in audio and audio - visual post productions.
You have the ownership of your music production from this software, and undertake relevant legal obligations independently.
Restrictions and limitations
You may not rent, sell, pledge or issue sub-licenses of this software and related commercial licenses. Redevelopment on Whisper of Loong in whole or part into derivative products, modified versions or third party versions is prohibited. You do not have ownership of audio samples, images and other binary files contained in the related supporting software, and have no right to distribute these materials in any way. Upon failure to comply with the terms in this agreement, authorization will be terminated and all permits will be withdrawn, and you will bear all responding legal liabilities.
Selling or giving away samples for use by others in the form of sampling or for sample playback units or computers is strictly prohibited.
Selling this product to a third party person is prohibited. Buying this product from a third party person is also prohibited. TBTECH DOES NOT accept any registrations for a used / resold product. Users who purchased this product from a third party person are not entitled to get any support from TBTECH.
Posting these sounds electronically without written permission from TBTECH is prohibited. The sound samples contained within cannot be used in any library / encyclopedia or similar media format created for CD-Audio, CD-ROM, DVD-Audio, or DVD-ROM type products, including future mechanical media formats, without written permission from TBTECH. You can obtain information about licensing by contacting TBTECH at threebodytech.com
The terms of this license expressly forbid the resale or other distribution of this product and/or individual sound samples contained on this disc or reformatted, mixed, filtered, re-synthesized, or otherwise edited samples, for use as sounds, multi-sounds, samples, multi-samples, programs or patches in a sampler or a sample playback unit.
This software and supporting files do not provide any explicit or implicit compensation or guarantee in any form. Users voluntarily access this software and must understand and bear any risks arising from usage. We do not make any binding commitment to technical support or any usage guarantee, and we do not have any responsibility for problems generated from usage of this software. For the avoiding of doubt, TBTECH may not be held responsible for any consequences that arise from application of this software.
Any problems arising from the recorded data contained within this package are the sole responsibility of the user.
This license agreement is subject to change without any notice.
If you have any questions regarding the license agreement, please contact us.
Copyright 2012-2016 TBTECH CO., LTD., All rights reserved.
All samples created by and property of TBTECH CO., LTD.
Anonyme
49 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 02:41:32
Chez ToneLib, aucune info sur les transferts de licences. Il y a une FAQ sur cette page :
Purchase page | ToneLib
Mais elle ne donne pas cette information.
Et le plugin (du moins ToneLib GFX version payante) non plus. Ni les fichiers installés.
Purchase page | ToneLib
Mais elle ne donne pas cette information.
Et le plugin (du moins ToneLib GFX version payante) non plus. Ni les fichiers installés.
Anonyme
50 Posté le 23/06/2024 à 02:51:15
Chez Tracktion la licence n'est pas transférable. Voici ce que me dit l'EULA de mon Hyperion (voyez le point 2) :
Citation :
WAVESEQUENCER SOFTWARE / Paul Carter (WS) - END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
Hyperion Synthesizer
By clicking on the 'I Accept' button, installing, copying or otherwise using the Software, You agree to be bound by the terms of this License Agreement. The terms also apply to any Software updates, supplements, and support services provided by WS. If You do not agree to the terms of this License Agreement, click on the 'I Do Not Accept' button and/or do not install or use the Software.
1. Definitions. 'WS' means WAVESEQUENCER SOFTWARE / Paul Carter and any third party licensor of software bundled with WS products. 'Software' means (a) Hyperion Synthesizer and all supplements or upgrades, and (b) any third party software or sound libraries bundled with a WS product and all supplements and upgrades thereof. 'You' means the end user of the Software and, if the end user is an entity, all of its employees, agents and independent contractors.
2. License. You are granted the following personal, nonexclusive, nontransferable, limited license:
(a) YOU MAY: (1) use the Software on a maximum of two computers; (2) physically transfer the Software from one device to another provided that (i) the Software is used on no more than two devices at a time and that You remove any copies of the Software from the device(s) from which the Software is being transferred, and (ii) the transfer is not for the purpose of sharing this license between devices; and (3) install another copy of the Software in the event that the first Software installation is unusable.
(b) YOU MAY NOT: (a) distribute copies of the Software or the documentation to others; (b) modify, rent, lease or grant sublicenses or other rights to the Software; (c) use the Software in a computer service business, network, time-sharing, multiple CPU or multiple user arrangement without the prior written consent of WS; (d) work around any technical limitations in the Software; (e) make more copies of the Software than permitted by this agreement; (f) publish the Software for others to copy, or (g) reverse engineer, disassemble, compile, modify, translate, or otherwise alter the Software in whole or in part.
2. Title to Intellectual Property. The Software is licensed to You, not sold. WS retains title and ownership of the Software and documentation, including all intellectual property and usage rights. ALL RIGHTS NOT EXPRESSLY GRANTED HEREIN ARE RESERVED TO WS.
3. Limited Warranty. WS warrants that the media on which the Software is furnished will be free from defects in materials and workmanship under normal use for a period of ninety days from the date of purchase or, in the case of supplements or upgrades, delivery. If a defect appears during the warranty period, return the medium containing the Software to WS, and You will receive a free replacement. This Limited Warranty is void if failure of the Software has resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any replacement Software will be warranted for the remainder of the original warranty period. The foregoing is Your sole and exclusive remedy for breach of warranty. THIS WARRANTY GIVES YOU SPECIFIC LEGAL RIGHTS AND YOU MAY ALSO HAVE OTHER RIGHTS THAT VARY BY JURISDICTION.
4. Exclusions From Warranty. This warranty does not cover problems caused by Your acts (or failures to act), the acts of others, or events beyond WS's reasonable control.
5. No Other Warranties. The limited warranty set forth above is the only warranty provided by WS. WS DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS OR IS ERROR FREE. WS DISCLAIMS ALL OTHER WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS WITH RESPECT TO THE SOFTWARE. If Your local laws give You any implied warranties, guarantees or conditions, despite this exclusion, Your remedies are described in the Limited Warranty clause above, to the extent permitted by Your local laws.
6. Limitation of Liability. IN NO EVENT SHALL WS BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY LOST PROFITS, CONSEQUENTIAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR INDIRECT DAMAGES OF ANY KIND ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE, EVEN IF WS HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. WS'S LIABILITY FOR ANY CLAIM, LOSSES, DAMAGES OR INJURY, WHETHER CAUSED BY BREACH OF CONTRACT, TORT OR ANY OTHER THEORY OF LIABILITY, SHALL NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNT YOU PAID FOR THE SOFTWARE. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THE ABOVE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.
7. Term. This Agreement is effective until terminated. You may terminate this Agreement at any time by uninstalling the Software together with destroying all copies of the Software in any form. This Agreement, including the license to use the Software, will terminate automatically if You fail to comply with any of its terms or conditions.
8. Upgrades and Supplements. WS may, at its discretion, release upgrades or supplements to the Software. WS has no obligation to offer upgrades or supplements to any end user of the Software.
9. Export. You shall comply with all laws, regulations, rules and requirements relating to the import, export, or re-export of the Software, documentation or any other items subject to this Agreement (including, but not limited to, the requirements under the U.S. Export Administration Act, Regulations of the Department of Commerce or its successors, executive orders, and other export controls of the United States of America). You shall not export or re-export, or authorize or permit the export or re-export of, any such items to any country to which export or re-export of the Software is prohibited without first obtaining the permission of the United States Department of Commerce, Bureau of Export Administration or its successor.
10. Assignment, Successors. No right or license under this Agreement may be assigned or transferred by You, nor may any duty be delegated by You without Licensor's prior written consent. Any assignment, transfer or delegation in contradiction of this provision shall be null and void. Subject to the foregoing, this Agreement will bind and inure to the benefit of the successors and assigns of You and WS.
11. Governing Law and Severability. This Agreement will be governed by the laws of the State of California and will be interpreted as if the agreement were made between California residents and performed entirely within California. For purposes of this Agreement, the United Nations Convention on the International Sale of Goods shall not be considered as a part of the law of the State of California and shall not be applicable to this Agreement. If for any reason a court finds any provision of this License unenforceable, that provision will be enforced to the maximum extent possible, and the remainder of the License shall continue in full force and effect.
12. Entire Agreement. This is the entire agreement between You and WS and supersedes any prior agreement, whether written or oral, relating to the subject matter of this Agreement. No amendment or modification of this agreement will be binding unless in writing and signed by a duly authorized representative of WS.
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