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Sujet de la discussion Les spécifications du MIDI 2.0 sont à présent publiques
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La MIDI Association (ou MMA) a mis en ligne cinq documents détaillant les spécifications adoptées en début d’année au NAMM.


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Une vidéo de Pete Brown sur l'avancement de la pile MIDI 2.0 pour Windows, qui sera bas niveau (comme chez Apple) et nativement multi-client, tout en maintenant la compatibilité WinMM historique :



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The new USB MIDI 2.0 driver will go nearly as fast as the underlying USB port has been negotiated to go and uses an approach similar to WaveRT audio for transferring data.

On the second part, Network MIDI 2.0 was just approved and published as a spec, and I think will ultimately turn out to be more important than the USB transport. I'll have a preview of the Windows implementation at NAMM.

Network MIDI 2.0 to DIN MIDI 1.0 translation boxes will be a thing.

On the first part, we had a lot more work to do than Apple did on this. We rewrote the entire MIDI stack from the ground up, and have also built a very complete solution for MIDI 2.0 while also supporting MIDI 1.0.

Yes, we're behind time-wise, but this month we did start putting the features into Insider builds for partner developer testing.

If not for the backwards compatibility we need to finish (for apps using the old WinMM APIs), we'd be done with 1.0. But we're still finishing up the backwards compatibility work, which has taken quite some time to write. The new API wouldn't be of much use if all the apps using the old one weren't able to be plumbed into the same infrastructure, and able to be multi-client.


https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1427653-ideal-pro-rack-mounted-midi-interface-4.html#post17254394

Edit : j'avais oublié de donner la source. :facepalm:

« What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art. » (Wendy Carlos)

[ Dernière édition du message le 28/11/2024 à 22:20:39 ]

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Hors sujet :
Je me la mets sur l'oreille pour plus tard. Merci pour le partage.

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Un autre fil sur GS mis à jour par Pete Brown, dans lequel il parle de l'importance de l'architecture Arm64pour le futur de la MAO sous Windows (processeurs Qualcomm), en parallèle de l'Intel/AMDx64 historique :

https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1424835-windows-midi-services-info.html#post17225951

« What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art. » (Wendy Carlos)

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Tout ça c'est du chinois pour moi.

Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?

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Intéressante aussi ses explications sur ASIO et WASAPI.
Merci Odon (Ô ! Don)

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Je ne vais pas prétendre tout comprendre non plus, mais ce qui est intéressant, c'est que - poussé par l'industrie pour le MIDI 2.0 - Microsoft ait engagé la rénovation de fond en comble de la partie MIDI de Windows, afin d'être à la hauteur des attentes des musiciens et autres créateurs. Et, surtout, des fabricants.

Ce pour les deux branches hardware supportée par l'OS, Intel/AMD et Arm, signe que la transition vers les puces Qualcomm (Windows-RT) plus efficientes se fait pour de bon cette fois-ci, face à l'hégémonie Apple Silicon.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/windows-music-dev/

L'inconvénient, c'est que, en dehors du multi-clientélisme enfin par défaut, il faudra probablement investir dans de nouvelles interfaces matérielles certifiées MIDI 2.0 pour en bénéficier. Sous Windows 11+...

Citation de Pete Brown :
At the NAMM Show in January, we’ll have a preview demonstration of the upcoming Network MIDI 2.0 transport standard using Windows MIDI Services. Network MIDI 2.0 is really promising because it enables a different type of connectivity, unencumbered by USB cable length limitations. The Network MIDI 2.0 standard is nearing final review and approval. There are already a number of devices in development which support the upcoming standard, and you’ll be able to use them with Windows.

https://microsoft.github.io/MIDI/

Citation de Pete Brown :
Supports your Existing Devices. Windows MIDI Services supports the MIDI 1.0 devices you own today, including those with vendor-supplied kernel streaming drivers, as well as class-compliant MIDI 1.0 and MIDI 2.0 devices. The experience will be better/faster if they use the new class driver, but we recognize that is not always possible or desirable with some existing devices.

Supports your Existing Apps. When Windows MIDI Services ships in-box in Windows, the existing WinMM and WinRT MIDI 1.0 APIs will be repointed to the new Windows Service. This will provide a subset of the new features, including multi-client. Those apps will not have access to the user metadata, auto-reconnect, device connect/disconnect detection, rich device details, MIDI 2.0 messages, etc. but will continue to work as today, with the benefit of multi-client (more than one app using the same port) support.

« What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art. » (Wendy Carlos)

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:bravo:

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https://gearspace.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1376412-midi-2-0-news-10.html

Network MIDI 2.0 and Built-in ASIO



L'Empire du MIDI s'empare du Milieu. Ou l'inverse :



Citation :
At Music China, our Chinese members created a series of videos highlighting how important MIDI is to the music industry in China.

This is the first of 8 and is the trailer that provides an overview of the series

« What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art. » (Wendy Carlos)

[ Dernière édition du message le 23/12/2024 à 21:31:29 ]

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Cohabitation Network MIDI 2.0 avec Reaper (dont la version actuelle utilise l'API canonique WinMM) :

https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.php?p=17305338&postcount=30



Citation :
Some continued work on Network MIDI 2.0

I've enabled creating WinMM-compatible ports from the network endpoint. So Network MIDI 2.0, via the new service, is translated to MIDI 1.0 and surfaced to applications which do not use the new API, like REAPER. It's also multi-client, like everything else.

Of course, apps using the new API/SDK will have more capabilities, including message scheduling, better device names, etc. but we wanted to provide at least basic IO to other apps.

Easier to view on YouTube on a larger screen.

In this example:
  • Connected to the BomeBox using Network MIDI 2.0, across the network
  • BomeBox is set to loop back the messages sent to it
  • REAPER is listening on that WinMM Port using the older MIDI 1.0 API (no changes have been made to REAPER code to support this)
  • Windows MIDI Services Console also monitors the Network MIDI Endpoint, using the MIDI 2.0 API.
  • The play-notes command on the Windows MIDI Services console sends the specified notes to the selected endpoint.
Pete


Par ailleurs, la MIDI Association a mis en ligne ses vidéos de promotion destinées au marché chinois :

https://www.youtube.com/@TheMIDIAssociation/videos

Que ce soit fait au début du NAMM 2025 n'étant sans doute pas une coïncidence, le pivot asiatique concerne toutes les industries.

Edith :

Demo du MIDI 2.0 sur connexion réseau RJ45, avec deux routeurs compatibles (BomeBox et KissBox) :

« What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art. » (Wendy Carlos)

[ Dernière édition du message le 25/01/2025 à 23:12:28 ]

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Pour info, alors qu'une version de prévisualisation vient d'être poussée pour Windows 11 x86 et Arm86, certaines versions de Windows 10 bénéficieront bien du MIDI 2.0 :

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/windows-music-dev/announcing-windows-midi-services-customer-preview-1/

Citation :
When will we go into retail (mainstream) Windows releases?

Once we are happy with the compatibility with existing apps and devices, we’ll move Windows MIDI Services into the latest supported releases of Windows 11 as well as the supported Windows 10 release. We hope this will be soon, but this is a quality-driven decision and we need your feedback. We’ve tested dozens of apps and MIDI devices here, and involved partners testing with their newest offerings, but there are thousands of MIDI devices released in the wild over the past 40+ years and we don’t have every one of them. We don’t want to break your MIDI workflow.


Les versions concernées seront peut-être la 22H2+ ou celles à support prolongé (LTSB et LTSC).

Dixit Pete Brown, la nouvelle pile "accélère" le MIDI 1.0 sur l'USB aussi, mais évidemment cela ne vaudra qu'en mode USB MIDI Class Compliant et pas avec des pilotes propriétaires (sauf si ceux-ci sont mis à jour en conséquence).

« What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art. » (Wendy Carlos)