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23 Mai 2006 à 18:45Hand-hammering and re-creating cymbals
#1
Hello !
Sorry for writing in English but my French is terrible. I understand it a bit but I can't write it.
I am a Belgian drummer from Bruges who also hammers cymbals.
I once started hammering cymbals because (to me) no modern factory made cymbal has the "old Turkish K Zildjian" kind of darkness and complexity anymore.
I hammer pro- and also some non-pro-level factory cymbals into much richer sounding cymbals.
Besides creating light complex jazz cymbals, I also hammer heavier rock-oriented cymbals to dramatically enrich the sound.
The cymbals I've hammered can be seen and heard on this INDEX PAGE. Mind you, I have hammered most of these cymbals to suit my personal taste (dark and trashy) but I can also brighten the sound of cymbals with a different hammering method.
Some "before and after modification" files can be heard HERE.
Some student cymbals I hammered into professional cymbals can be listened to HERE.
Here are some pictures (the soundfiles can be found on the site).
This was a Paiste Signature Power ride, hammered to sound like the old 60's Tony Williams ride, but a little heavier:
This was a Zildjian ZBT 20" ride, now a very complex thin professional jazz ride.
This was once a Paiste 2002 22" ride:
Here's a "before and after" pic of a cheap 16" Headliner crash cymbal, now a professional dark thin crash:
Hello!
I've got a china 18" that I bought without trying it (big mistake). It doesn't sound really good, too dry, lack of the "tsshhh" (I don't how to express it) and the volume is too loud...
is there some ideas to make it better ??
Subtil et versatil, le reptile tranquil, entre dans le rythme comme on entre dans une femme facile...
Johan VDS
60
Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e
Membre depuis 19 ans
18 Juillet 2006 à 09:39
#30
Citation : is there some ideas to make it better ??
If you have no hammering experience you'll ruin or break the cymbal if you try to hammer it yourself.
Anyway, each cymbal is different and needs to be hammered differently to achieve a certain sound. I could only tell what needs to be done when I take the cymbal in my own hands.
Ok!! I expected this answer!! It would be quite hard to meet, I'm not even french, I'm tunisian... a little bit far from you
anyway, my china will be a good decoration for my chamber's wallw
thanks a lot
Subtil et versatil, le reptile tranquil, entre dans le rythme comme on entre dans une femme facile...
pistonpistache
17998
Modérateur·trice thématique
Membre depuis 23 ans
18 Juillet 2006 à 11:07
#32
Johan-> I wonder what you call "nefertiti ride".
Is that because it's sound like the one on "nefertiti", or did tony williams have a special ride for this song?
I mean, I thought tony williams used to play sometimes on a 24" ride... Is that what you mean?
Citation : Johan-> I wonder what you call "nefertiti ride".
Is that because it's sound like the one on "nefertiti"
Tony Williams used the same 22" old K Zildjian on most recordings during his Miles years. I've just picked the name "Nefertiti" because it's a well known Miles Davis album where his cymbal can also be heard clearly.
An American drummer sent me two 20" Paiste B8 alloy cymbals (crash and ride) and asked me to convert them into a 20" Ripple Trash and an 18" Radial Trash.
Citation : At least a week because I divide the hammering into several steps to let the metal recristallize in between.
"recristalize" ??
johan, could you please explain that a bit more in details?
(I have a old ufip 12" splash cymbal, a crappy one. I'd like to try to hammer it... I found a round hammer, and i think I will test it. If I break the cymbale it's no big deal but I'd like to avoid it if possible ;) )
Bandini
3861
Squatteur·euse d’AF
Membre depuis 23 ans
09 Aout 2006 à 11:22
#43
I've nothing to say at this moment, unless nice job Johan
Johan VDS
60
Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e
Membre depuis 19 ans
09 Aout 2006 à 11:32
#44
Citation : "recristalize" ??
johan, could you please explain that a bit more in details?
Hammering causes a temporary dis-organisation of molecules. When the metal rests, the molecules organise themselves again into a solid structure.
That's the reason why the factories never sell brand new cymbals the day they are made. They keep them in stock for a while until the molecules have settled.
Nice to know it, thanks.
How many day do we have to wait - in average - before replaying the cymbal ?
do you have any tips for hammering ?
from bell to edge ? other ?
any advice is welcome
Johan VDS
60
Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e
Membre depuis 19 ans
09 Aout 2006 à 11:57
#46
It's different for each cymbal. There are no general rules or theories. My tip is that you'd better experiment with very cheap brass cymbals first to learn the skill before you hammer a good cymbal like a Ufip.
