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Hand-hammering and re-creating cymbals

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Johan VDS

Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e

Membre depuis 19 ans

Sujet de la discussion Posté le 23/05/2006 à 18:45:17

Hello !

Sorry for writing in English but my French is terrible. I understand it a bit but I can't write it.

I am a Belgian drummer from Bruges who also hammers cymbals.

I once started hammering cymbals because (to me) no modern factory made cymbal has the "old Turkish K Zildjian" kind of darkness and complexity anymore.

I hammer pro- and also some non-pro-level factory cymbals into much richer sounding cymbals.
Besides creating light complex jazz cymbals, I also hammer heavier rock-oriented cymbals to dramatically enrich the sound.

The cymbals I've hammered can be seen and heard on this INDEX PAGE. Mind you, I have hammered most of these cymbals to suit my personal taste (dark and trashy) but I can also brighten the sound of cymbals with a different hammering method.

Some "before and after modification" files can be heard HERE.

Some student cymbals I hammered into professional cymbals can be listened to HERE.

Here are some pictures (the soundfiles can be found on the site).

This was a Paiste Signature Power ride, hammered to sound like the old 60's Tony Williams ride, but a little heavier:

This was a Zildjian ZBT 20" ride, now a very complex thin professional jazz ride.

This was once a Paiste 2002 22" ride:

Here's a "before and after" pic of a cheap 16" Headliner crash cymbal, now a professional dark thin crash:

See and hear my custom cymbals:JOHAN Custom Cymbals

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Lapin

3516

Squatteur·euse d’AF

Membre depuis 22 ans

11 Posté le 24/05/2006 à 01:07:02

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(Looking for my Meteor, on sait jamais)

m1²

603

Posteur·euse AFfolé·e

Membre depuis 19 ans

12 Posté le 24/05/2006 à 18:33:46

> Johan

Depending on how you communicate around your activity, I think you can easily get in touch with sound-loving (?!) customers, rather than teenagers dreaming about having jOeY jOrdisSon cymbal sound from their crappy ZBT (for 50€ of course).

Very sincerely , it would be a pity to lose money in practicing your passion, and it would be a pity too not to earn some little cash from it.

For example you could get a simple and affordable website, picturing your workshop and techniques, with of course your database of audio files, and then propose your services or any pseudo-commercial activity you want to launch.

At least, make people understand that you are not just a DIY-geek who wants to show his hobby. No marketting anyway !..

http://www.reverbnation.com/deinmas

Johan VDS

Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e

Membre depuis 19 ans

13 Posté le 24/05/2006 à 18:42:33

Citation : At least, make people understand that you are not just a DIY-geek who wants to show his hobby. No marketting anyway !

May be you are right, but I hope that when people listen to the soundfiles they will automatically hear that I'm no DIY-geek :D:

Citation : rather than teenagers dreaming about having jOeY jOrdisSon cymbal sound from their crappy ZBT

Well I certainly don't make Joey Jordison sounds but I have been able to convince some rocking teenagers to listen and appreciate richer and more complex sounding (heavy) cymbals. I'm very happy to hammer ZBT's for teenagers when they appreciate a richer sounding cymbal compared to what they can buy in the shop.

See and hear my custom cymbals:JOHAN Custom Cymbals

pistonpistache

17989

Modérateur·trice thématique

Membre depuis 22 ans

14 Posté le 24/05/2006 à 19:02:08

I still have my meteor, and i found them.
I want to send mine before Lapin, who is from belgium too.
Just to get him jealous.

m1² is right anyway, very few people (I think most of them already posted here), like dark thrashy cymbal. I don't say "jazz", because I hate this way to reduce the way to play.

I ll ask you for a price by private mail. Business is forbidden here :clin:

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Johan VDS

Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e

Membre depuis 19 ans

15 Posté le 24/05/2006 à 19:24:59

Citation : I still have my meteor, and i found them.

Meinl Meteors are brass cymbals like Paiste 302 and Sabian Solar. Brass has very little sound potential. I can't make professional cymbals from them, not even good cymbals. So don't spend any money on that. Only a small minority of brass cymbals have more potential (like brass cymbals from Pearl are usually made from a much better sounding brass variety).

The interesting cheap cymbals to upgrade are the ones made from B8 alloy.

See and hear my custom cymbals:JOHAN Custom Cymbals

Johan VDS

Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e

Membre depuis 19 ans

16 Posté le 24/05/2006 à 20:59:14

Fresh from my hammer, soundfiles on my SITE.

20" Tony Williams (Nefertiti) ride :