Hand-hammering and re-creating cymbals
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Johan VDS
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 23/05/2006 à 18:45:17Hand-hammering and re-creating cymbals
Hello !
Sorry for writing in English but my French is terrible. I understand it a bit but I can't write it.
I am a Belgian drummer from Bruges who also hammers cymbals.
I once started hammering cymbals because (to me) no modern factory made cymbal has the "old Turkish K Zildjian" kind of darkness and complexity anymore.
I hammer pro- and also some non-pro-level factory cymbals into much richer sounding cymbals.
Besides creating light complex jazz cymbals, I also hammer heavier rock-oriented cymbals to dramatically enrich the sound.
The cymbals I've hammered can be seen and heard on this INDEX PAGE. Mind you, I have hammered most of these cymbals to suit my personal taste (dark and trashy) but I can also brighten the sound of cymbals with a different hammering method.
Some "before and after modification" files can be heard HERE.
Some student cymbals I hammered into professional cymbals can be listened to HERE.
Here are some pictures (the soundfiles can be found on the site).
This was a Paiste Signature Power ride, hammered to sound like the old 60's Tony Williams ride, but a little heavier:

This was a Zildjian ZBT 20" ride, now a very complex thin professional jazz ride.
This was once a Paiste 2002 22" ride:

Here's a "before and after" pic of a cheap 16" Headliner crash cymbal, now a professional dark thin crash:

Sorry for writing in English but my French is terrible. I understand it a bit but I can't write it.
I am a Belgian drummer from Bruges who also hammers cymbals.
I once started hammering cymbals because (to me) no modern factory made cymbal has the "old Turkish K Zildjian" kind of darkness and complexity anymore.
I hammer pro- and also some non-pro-level factory cymbals into much richer sounding cymbals.
Besides creating light complex jazz cymbals, I also hammer heavier rock-oriented cymbals to dramatically enrich the sound.
The cymbals I've hammered can be seen and heard on this INDEX PAGE. Mind you, I have hammered most of these cymbals to suit my personal taste (dark and trashy) but I can also brighten the sound of cymbals with a different hammering method.
Some "before and after modification" files can be heard HERE.
Some student cymbals I hammered into professional cymbals can be listened to HERE.
Here are some pictures (the soundfiles can be found on the site).
This was a Paiste Signature Power ride, hammered to sound like the old 60's Tony Williams ride, but a little heavier:

This was a Zildjian ZBT 20" ride, now a very complex thin professional jazz ride.
This was once a Paiste 2002 22" ride:

Here's a "before and after" pic of a cheap 16" Headliner crash cymbal, now a professional dark thin crash:

See and hear my custom cymbals:JOHAN Custom Cymbals
Johan VDS
60
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Membre depuis 19 ans
76 Posté le 25/10/2006 à 15:34:52
Here's a set of cheap Sabian B8's which I just finished hammering for an Italian drummer.
Before and after clips and pics here:
http://jvds.byethost15.com/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/AMATEUR_into_PROFESSIONAL/SABIAN_B8_complete_set/
Before and after clips and pics here:
http://jvds.byethost15.com/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/AMATEUR_into_PROFESSIONAL/SABIAN_B8_complete_set/
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Johan VDS
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77 Posté le 28/10/2006 à 15:22:15
20" Light Jazzride 1850 grams, hammered from a Zildjian Avedis.
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Anonyme
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78 Posté le 28/10/2006 à 15:53:45
What was the model for this Avedis Ride you hammered ? Ping Ride ? I own a 22' Avedis Ping Ride -that is the very first cymbal I bought, circa 1986- which I'd like to "darken", to fit with the other cymbals I own. My cymbals set is now mostly composed from K Custom (14'/17' KC dark crash, 20' KC dark ride, 14' KC dark hihats, 17' KC dark china, 18' K medium thin dark crash) and the Avedis Ping Ride is way too different in terms of sound from the other ones. Do you think it would be a good idea to hammer it ?
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Johan VDS
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79 Posté le 28/10/2006 à 17:23:06
Your 22" Avedis is an excellent cymbal to hammer. There are many different ways I can change it.
The above ride was a Medium ride, but whether it's a Ping ride or a Medium it doesn't make much difference. I change the cymbal totally anyway.
If you want to do it just send me an email. You find my emaildress and the hammering prices here:
http://jvds.byethost15.com/MODIFICATION_RATES-PROCEDURE-CONTACT.htm
You can read some comments on my work of drummers from all around the world here:
http://jvds.byethost15.com/PEOPLES_COMMENTS/
The above ride was a Medium ride, but whether it's a Ping ride or a Medium it doesn't make much difference. I change the cymbal totally anyway.
If you want to do it just send me an email. You find my emaildress and the hammering prices here:
http://jvds.byethost15.com/MODIFICATION_RATES-PROCEDURE-CONTACT.htm
You can read some comments on my work of drummers from all around the world here:
http://jvds.byethost15.com/PEOPLES_COMMENTS/
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Johan VDS
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80 Posté le 14/11/2006 à 19:51:26
16" Brash Crash, hammered from a Zildjian Avedis 16" Medium Crash.
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Johan VDS
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81 Posté le 19/11/2006 à 16:44:41
20" Complex Flatride (2205 grams) hammered from a Zildjian Avedis.
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Anonyme
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82 Posté le 20/11/2006 à 12:26:48
Hors sujet : Hey Johan, one of my friends is going to take my A Ping Ride for a try. He drums jazz and misses the dry ping of that cymbal, that he used to play 10 years ago. So, for the moment, I am waiting for his advice.
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Johan VDS
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83 Posté le 28/11/2006 à 21:49:14
Here's a 17" Perforation Trash which I made from a Zildjian Z Custom Crash.
The SOUNDFILE is a little distorted because of the very loud peak of the crash sound... Still this cymbal can speak very softly too and opens up at the slightest touch. It has a very wide dynamic range and can produce anything from a very quiet warm trashy wash to a fierce oriental crash. It's also very ride-able.

The SOUNDFILE is a little distorted because of the very loud peak of the crash sound... Still this cymbal can speak very softly too and opens up at the slightest touch. It has a very wide dynamic range and can produce anything from a very quiet warm trashy wash to a fierce oriental crash. It's also very ride-able.

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Lapin
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85 Posté le 29/11/2006 à 11:51:31
Elle fait un peu crop circle 
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pistonpistache
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86 Posté le 29/11/2006 à 14:08:23
Woush, elle doit péter les oreilles. On l'entend bien exploser sur la frappe. Inmaitrisable cet engin.
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Lapin
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87 Posté le 29/11/2006 à 14:16:22
Si ça se rapproche de la sabian hhx ozone (avé des trous aussi) c'est justement assez maîtrisable, trashy mais beaucoup moins agressif qu'une china.
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m1²
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88 Posté le 29/11/2006 à 18:05:14
C'est fragile à quel point ces trucs-là , avé des trous?
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Lapin
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89 Posté le 29/11/2006 à 19:01:42
L'ozone est assez fine et souple, le pote qui l'a, ben il ne l'a pas pétée. Je ne pense pas qu'elle soit spécialement fragile 

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[jj]
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90 Posté le 30/11/2006 à 14:12:11
ça doit être un peu "moellleux" quand on tape dedans nan ?
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Lapin
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91 Posté le 30/11/2006 à 15:34:10
Oui, moi je situerais ça entre une swish et une thin dark crash gros diamètre.
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[jj]
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92 Posté le 30/11/2006 à 15:47:26
ça doit être un peu déstabilisant franchement au début ! surtout si tu alterne ton jeu sur plusieurs cymbales, des modèles bien solides et que hop tu passes la dessus... 
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Johan VDS
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93 Posté le 03/12/2006 à 14:34:40
20" Complex Ride 2215 grams -from Sabian AA
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SOUNDFILE

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pearlman.mmx
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94 Posté le 04/12/2006 à 01:31:39
...Mais pourquoi on cherche à pêter les oreilles des autres musiciens? Vous n'avez même pas l'idée du boucan d'enfer qu'elles produisent!
Si c'est pour du plaisir
...alors faites vous plaisir, mais quand on joue avec d'autres musiciens on a l'interêt à ne pas les couvrir (surtout dans un petit local...là où joue la plupart des musiciens!).
Si c'est pour du plaisir
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Lapin
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95 Posté le 04/12/2006 à 09:26:55
Tu réponds à qui là?
Quoi qui produit un boucan d'enfer?
Quoi qui produit un boucan d'enfer?0
Johan VDS
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96 Posté le 08/12/2006 à 15:04:32
Here's a Tony Williams-style 22" Complex "Nefertiti" Ride weighing 2425 grams.
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Johan VDS
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97 Posté le 21/12/2006 à 21:57:46
Here's a 20" Light Complex Bright ride 1740 grams, hammered from a Ufip.
SOUNDCLIP
And an 18" Dark Crash, hammered from a Sabian AA El Sabor.
SOUNDCLIP

SOUNDCLIP
And an 18" Dark Crash, hammered from a Sabian AA El Sabor.
SOUNDCLIP

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Johan VDS
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98 Posté le 10/01/2007 à 10:42:56
There are some new creations on my new website.
Some of them are:
A 7" Splash, hammered from a B20 bronze disc.
SOUNDFILE
A 14" China.
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A 15" Dark Thin Crash.
SOUNDFILE
An 18" Dark Crashride.
SOUNDFILE

Some of them are:
A 7" Splash, hammered from a B20 bronze disc.
SOUNDFILE
A 14" China.
SOUNDFILE
A 15" Dark Thin Crash.
SOUNDFILE
An 18" Dark Crashride.
SOUNDFILE

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Johan VDS
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Membre depuis 19 ans
99 Posté le 22/01/2007 à 20:08:15
20" Light Trashy Ride, 1715 grams:
SOUNDFILE
17" Dark Fast Crash, 1070 grams :
SOUNDFILE
20" Complex Ride 1900 grams:
SOUNDFILE

17" Dark Crash (works as a light ride too) 1265 grams:
SOUNDFILE

SOUNDFILE
17" Dark Fast Crash, 1070 grams :
SOUNDFILE
20" Complex Ride 1900 grams:
SOUNDFILE

17" Dark Crash (works as a light ride too) 1265 grams:
SOUNDFILE

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pistonpistache
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100 Posté le 22/01/2007 à 20:39:13
Johan-> a partir de quelles cymbales tu as travaillé pour
17" Dark Fast Crash, 1070 grams
et
A 15" Dark Thin Crash.
D'ailleurs la plupart de tes anciens fichiers ont disparus
17" Dark Fast Crash, 1070 grams
et
A 15" Dark Thin Crash.
D'ailleurs la plupart de tes anciens fichiers ont disparus
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