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Sujet Curiosité sur le 384Khz

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Sujet de la discussion Curiosité sur le 384Khz
Bonjour,

Je travaille actuellement sur le master d'un mix de 2H.
Le problème est l'export en entier en .wav 192Khz qui est impossible. (en restant compatible)
J'ai donc essayé de faire du 8 bit 192Khz sachant que la dynamique n'est que de 6LU.
Çà marche plutôt bien, cependant le souffle est crade, on dirait de la radio AM...
Du coup je vais faire deux export de 24Bit, cependant je me pose cette question et surtout a ceux pouvant travailler en 384Khz (ce qui devrait etre mon cas bientôt, malheureusement que sur la sortie casque...), donc pour eviter de fausses joie mais surtout la sortie casque, est ce que certains d'entre vous ont pu exporter un .wav 8 bit 384Khz, et entendre un souffle qui devrait etre genre FM?

Merci d'avance,
Bonne journée,
Cordialement,
Ps1: Désolé pour la forme.
Ps2: désolé pour les adorateurs, mais c'est la qu'on se rend compte que c'est vraiment de la ....., meme pas capable de produire un souffle correcte...



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En effet, c'est agréable, mais à part perturber la discussion, vous n'avez pas apporté plus d'informations que ChatGPT SUR LA QUESTION INITIALE. Merci quand même !

Je sais quand même qu'il devrait se situer à 2 kHz maintenant.
En résumé, le numérique en 8 bits à 192 kHz ne se comporte même pas comme une simple cassette.

[ Dernière édition du message le 28/08/2023 à 22:03:29 ]

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Citation de monitoringval :
Citation :
- Le bruit de quantification n'est pas lié à la fréquence d'échantillonnage.



En fait, j'en sais rien.
Puis j'ai lu ça https://www.f-legrand.fr/scidoc/docmml/sciphys/electro/quantification/quantification.html
Et j'en sais encore moins qu'avant :|

La fréquence d'échantillonnage va agir sur la répartition spectrale du bruit de quantification. Mais son niveau est compris entre 0 et 0,5 pas de quantification puisque c'est la valeur de l'arrondi.
La résolution donne le rapport signal sur bruit en comptant 6dB par bits de résolution.
Le jitter joue également un peu sur le BDQ puisque le décalage temporel induit une erreur de mesure avec la valeur réelle.
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En résumé, le numérique en 8 bits à 384 kHz ne se comportera même pas comme une simple cassette!!!!
Technologie lamentable!!!
Yes, you've grasped the concept correctly. Even at the highest sampling frequencies, an 8-bit digital audio format can't fully replicate the unique characteristics and qualities of analog tape. Analog tape has its own distinct sound profile, including its warmth, saturation, and the way it interacts with audio signals, which can't be entirely replicated by a digital 8-bit format, regardless of the sampling frequency. This is due to the inherent limitations of 8-bit audio in capturing fine details and dynamic range compared to the analog medium.

J'attends le prochain qui dira que la cassette c'est 8 bit et que le numerique c'est top!!!!! Tout respect de la personne bien sure!!! :non:

La touche finale:
Using a higher bit depth like 24 bits can indeed help capture more of the nuances and dynamic range present in analog tape recordings. An 8-bit audio format has limitations in representing the subtle variations in audio levels, resulting in a lower dynamic range and potential quantization noise.

By using 24 bits, you allow for a significantly larger number of discrete amplitude levels, which leads to finer resolution and reduced quantization noise. This higher bit depth enables digital audio to capture a wider range of audio levels, which is closer to the capabilities of analog tape.

While increasing the bit depth helps in achieving better fidelity, it's worth noting that capturing the full "sound" of analog tape involves more than just increasing the bit depth. Factors like tape saturation, harmonic distortion, and the overall analog signal path contribute to the unique quality of tape recordings. However, using 24-bit audio is a step in the right direction to approach the dynamic range and fidelity of analog tape, especially when combined with other techniques aimed at tape emulation and saturation.

[ Dernière édition du message le 28/08/2023 à 22:11:24 ]

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Ce que tu viens de poster, c'est ce qu'on t'explique depuis le début, 8 bits ça n'est pas suffisant pour échantillonner correctement un signal analogique, indépendamment de la FE choisie.

[ Dernière édition du message le 28/08/2023 à 22:14:15 ]

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J'attends le prochain qui dira que la cassette c'est 8 bit et que le numerique c'est top!!!!! Tout respect de la personne bien sure!!! :non:

Ps: tu comprends ce que tu veux mais moi j'ai clairement compris que le numerique sans une batterie de plug et un arsenal d'echantillonnage ne peux en aucun cas egaler l'analogique...
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je clarifie j'espere que c'est plus clair!!!

A 24-bit audio format is more than capable of capturing the technical fidelity of a simple cassette recording. The higher bit depth allows for a wider dynamic range and finer resolution, which can accurately represent the audio levels and details of a cassette recording.

However, it's important to note that capturing the complete "analog tape" experience involves more than just bit depth. Analog cassette tapes have their own unique characteristics, including saturation, harmonic distortion, and interaction with playback equipment, that contribute to their distinct sound.

So, while 24-bit audio can capture the technical quality of a cassette recording, it might not fully replicate the specific sonic characteristics and nostalgia associated with analog cassette tapes. Emulating those unique qualities might require additional processing or software designed to mimic the analog tape sound.
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Citation :
moi j'ai clairement compris que le numerique sans une batterie de plug et un arsenal d'echantillonnage ne peux en aucun cas egaler l'analogique...

T'as surtout clairement rien compris.
Mais au final tu fais bien ce que tu veux.
Si tu veux produire de la musique en 8 bits, fais toi plaisir...:bravo:

[ Dernière édition du message le 28/08/2023 à 22:18:41 ]

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et je win:
Yes, digital and analog sound have distinct characteristics and qualities that make them different from each other. The fundamental differences between digital and analog audio stem from their respective methods of capturing, processing, and reproducing sound.

Analog Sound:
Analog audio captures and reproduces sound in continuous, physical waveforms. Analog systems are affected by the properties of the recording medium (like tape) and the equipment used for playback. Analog signals are susceptible to noise, distortion, and degradation over time. Analog systems have a unique warmth, coloration, and natural compression that many people find appealing. They can also exhibit subtle variations and harmonics due to nonlinearities in components.

Digital Sound:
Digital audio represents sound using a discrete, numerical representation of the original analog waveform. Digital systems sample the analog waveform at specific intervals and record the amplitude as binary data. While digital audio offers accuracy and precision, it can introduce quantization noise due to the finite number of discrete values. However, modern digital technology, especially at higher bit depths and sampling rates, has minimized these issues. Digital audio is consistent, reproducible, and doesn't degrade over time like analog systems. It can also be edited, processed, and manipulated more easily.

While digital technology has advanced significantly and can achieve very high levels of fidelity, some audiophiles and professionals still appreciate the unique qualities of analog sound. The "better" choice often depends on personal preference, context, and the quality of equipment. Many factors, including nostalgia, aesthetics, and the overall listening experience, contribute to the ongoing fascination with both analog and digital sound.

faut jamais combattre avec moi:non:

[ Dernière édition du message le 28/08/2023 à 22:18:13 ]

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j'appuie un peu encore ca fait du bien:
Exactly, neither analog nor digital sound is universally "better" than the other. Each has its own set of strengths, characteristics, and qualities that make them suited to different contexts and preferences. The choice between analog and digital often depends on factors like personal preference, the specific use case, the quality of equipment, and the intended listening experience.

Analog systems can offer a warm and nostalgic quality that resonates with some listeners, while digital systems provide accuracy, consistency, and the ability to manipulate sound with precision. Both approaches have their advantages and limitations, and what's "better" ultimately depends on the context and the individual's perception.

Furthermore, advancements in technology have narrowed the gap between analog and digital sound quality. Digital technology has improved significantly over the years, allowing for high-resolution audio and improved signal processing techniques that approach the qualities of analog sound.

The most important aspect is to find what works best for your preferences and needs, whether that involves the unique character of analog or the precision of digital.

Jamais combattre, j'aime pas la gueere:non:, mechant tres mechant le doc

[ Dernière édition du message le 28/08/2023 à 22:21:54 ]

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fin de pollution , merci de m'avoir .........

If accuracy is not your primary concern and you're looking for a different listening experience, analog systems can be a better choice. Analog formats like vinyl records and analog tape have a distinct warmth, character, and nostalgic appeal that many people find attractive. The imperfections introduced by analog systems, such as vinyl crackles or tape hiss, can even contribute to the overall charm of the listening experience for some.

Analog systems also interact with sound in a way that can produce harmonics and subtle nonlinearities, creating a natural compression and tonal richness that some listeners prefer.

However, it's important to remember that analog systems come with their own set of limitations, such as susceptibility to wear, degradation over time, and consistency issues between different playback instances. Also, the playback quality can depend on the quality of the equipment used.

Ultimately, the choice between analog and digital comes down to individual taste, context, and the specific listening experience you're seeking. Both have their merits, and there's no one-size-fits-all answer.