Cirklon vs Pyramid : discussion sur les séquenceurs hardware
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JeffX
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 06/09/2016 à 18:48:13Cirklon vs Pyramid : discussion sur les séquenceurs hardware
je crée ce sujet afin de discuter des principales différences entre ces 2 séquenceurs hardware
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5281 Posté le 04/11/2023 à 13:46:16
C'est complètement hors budget pour moi, mais j'aurais tendance à penser comme Thomas, vas y, essaye si tu en as l'opportunité. Ce serait dommage de le regretter plus tard. Au pire tu n'en as pas l'usage et tu le revends sans perdre d'argent ou très peu car peu de décote....
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5282 Posté le 04/11/2023 à 20:17:57
Et au pire je veux bien te le racheter en tickets restos sur 120 ans
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5283 Posté le 06/11/2023 à 22:38:13
ah 120 ans de tickets restos le rêve
pour ma part, je lache l'affaire, honnêtement, de moins en mois envie d'investir du temps dans l'utilisation du matos électronique, depuis quelques temps dès qu'il y à un un manuel à lire et des tutos a regarder, j'y réfléchis à 2 fois et au final j'achète rien
pour ma part, je lache l'affaire, honnêtement, de moins en mois envie d'investir du temps dans l'utilisation du matos électronique, depuis quelques temps dès qu'il y à un un manuel à lire et des tutos a regarder, j'y réfléchis à 2 fois et au final j'achète rien
Be the synth!
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5284 Posté le 07/11/2023 à 11:10:17
C'est bien ça pour les crises de Gas
Ceci dit je comprends tout à fait. Je ne cherche plus que du matos facile à prendre en main et efficace.
Ceci dit je comprends tout à fait. Je ne cherche plus que du matos facile à prendre en main et efficace.
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5285 Posté le 07/11/2023 à 12:56:40
Citation de Fix 77 :
ah 120 ans de tickets restos le rêve
pour ma part, je lache l'affaire, honnêtement, de moins en mois envie d'investir du temps dans l'utilisation du matos électronique, depuis quelques temps dès qu'il y à un un manuel à lire et des tutos a regarder, j'y réfléchis à 2 fois et au final j'achète rien
Le manuel n’est pas si utile que ça… tu peux très bien utiliser un cirklon sans manuel. C’est assez simple étrangement . Après si tu veux creuser alors oui cela peut etre utile
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5286 Posté le 15/12/2023 à 12:19:33
Séquence nostalgie, dans un style journalistique que personnellement j'adore et qui a - me semble-t-il - disparu dans la presse musicale (au sens large, print ou web) :
https://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/yamaha-x-series-midi-system/9030
Étonnant comment la pertinence d'un séquenceur MIDI hardware - un des plus sophistiqué qui ait jamais existé à ce jour - comparé à un ordinateur 8 ou 16bit - aussi rudimentaires fussent-ils - posait déjà question en mai 1985, à une époque où les technologies numériques utilisées dans les deux univers avaient des cycles de vie très proches, et où il fallait des circuits spécialisés pour toutes les fonctions un peu exigeantes.
https://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/yamaha-x-series-midi-system/9030
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Yamaha X-series MIDI System : TX816 Rack, QX1 Digital Sequencer, KX88 Master Keyboard
by David Ellis
Article from Electronics & Music Maker, May 1985
At last, a detailed appraisal of Yamaha's state-of-the-art MIDI system. FM rack, digital keyboard recorder and master keyboard come under David Ellis' careful scrutiny.
We take an extensive look at Yamaha's flagship modular MIDI system. The verdict? It's probably the most expensive, most complex and most impressive such set-up currently available.
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The QX1, on the other hand, is a rather different kettle of fish - it doesn't really have any sort of precedent, either from Yamaha themselves or from any other company currently engaged in MIDI sequencer activities. To start with, it's the first sequencer that makes a stab at parallel MIDI buses. And just as important is the jettisoning of recalcitrant cassette interfaces and dubious data recorders in favour of a decent double density disk drive (try saying that when you're seeing pink algorithms). But not all is sweetness and light. The major question has to be whether or not it makes a lot of sense producing a hard-wired MIDI sequencer for the hardly insubstantial sum of £2499, when personal computers that could in theory do as much for a lot less are positively in abundance - and with the added benefit of a proper display, more memory, and a less idiosyncratic QWERTY keyboard, too.
Because no matter what Yamaha might want you to believe, the QX1 is nothing more nor less than an eight-bit (6809 processor) micro with 64K of RAM; an extremely non-standard keyboard (neither QWERTY, DVORAK, nor anything else known to man or mouse); fairly vestigial display facilities (a two-row by 40-column LCD); highly specialised I/O circuitry (the eight parallel MIDI Outs, one each of MIDI In and Thru, tape sync, click out, and foot switch); and an 800K (formatted) 5.25" disk drive.
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QX Conclusions
Let's make no bones about it: the QX1 is a magnificent sequencer. But it's also a classic example of fairly cheap computer technology being hard-wired into the format of a rather expensive musical tool. And bearing in mind the imminent emergence of cheap, high performance 16-bit micros with ultra-sophisticated and user-friendly front ends, it's a difficult juggling act to tip the balance of performance vs. cost in the direction of the Yamaha.
Aside from the squeaking disk drive, which is bad news on a machine of this price, my main qualms rest with a) the choice of processor, which surely doesn't have a chance in hell of adequately servicing eight separate MIDI buses to the 128-note polyphony extent of the TX816's capability, and b) the rather limited display, which makes life more difficult than it should be on a unit that sets out to do as much as the QX1.
Étonnant comment la pertinence d'un séquenceur MIDI hardware - un des plus sophistiqué qui ait jamais existé à ce jour - comparé à un ordinateur 8 ou 16bit - aussi rudimentaires fussent-ils - posait déjà question en mai 1985, à une époque où les technologies numériques utilisées dans les deux univers avaient des cycles de vie très proches, et où il fallait des circuits spécialisés pour toutes les fonctions un peu exigeantes.
« What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art. » (Wendy Carlos)
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5287 Posté le 15/12/2023 à 13:14:03
Merci pour l'article et la réflexion.
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5288 Posté le 28/01/2024 à 12:20:00
Une looongue vidéo quasi tuto sur l'Hapax.
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5289 Posté le 16/07/2024 à 21:41:07
Un petit nouveau, le MIDINA, open source :
https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2024/07/15/midina-expressive-linear-midi-sequencer-now-available-via-kickstarter-project/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/midina/midina-expressive-linear-midi-sequencer
https://gearspace.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1431983-midina-open-source-16-track-midi-sequencer-funky-cold-machines.html?highlight=midina
https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2024/07/15/midina-expressive-linear-midi-sequencer-now-available-via-kickstarter-project/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/midina/midina-expressive-linear-midi-sequencer
https://gearspace.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1431983-midina-open-source-16-track-midi-sequencer-funky-cold-machines.html?highlight=midina
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I'm excited to introduce MIDINA, an open source 16-track MIDI sequencer built on the Raspberry Pi & Teensy platform.
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MIDINA is made of 128 Songs.
Each Song contains up to 16 Blocks in the Block Order.
Each Block contains 16 Tracks.
Each Block has its own Lifetime and BPM. Block Lifetime can be from 16-2048 Steps.
Each Track has its own Lifetime, unique per Block. Track Lifetime can be 4-2048 Steps.
When a block lifetime expires, the song automatically advances to the next block. You can toggle "Loop" On/Off to stay looping within any given block. You can manually jump between any blocks in the block order at any time. Each block can have up to 48 program change messages assigned. If there are program changes assigned to a block, they will be sent out to the assigned channels when the block is selected. Program changes won't be sent more than once if you are working in Loop mode.
Each track has its own lifetime, which is the measure of recording length and loop length for the track sequencer. Each track can be anywhere from 4-2048 steps, unique in each block. Each track has 16 program change Favorites that can be applied. Each track also has 8 CC macros that can be applied.
Songs, Blocks, and Tracks, Favorites, and CCs can all be easily renamed with an on-screen keyboard for custom labels.
There is a Live Record mode that records all Note data, but allows expressive modulated data to pass without being recorded. You can toggle on "MOD" and record all Pitch Bend data, Aftertouch, and MIDI CCs. You can quickly jump between armed tracks, or enable Multi-Arming and you can arm all 16 simultaneously. You can clear just the note data by hitting "Clear Track", and you can clear just the MOD data but pressing "Clear Mod".
The sequencer supports pagination up to 2048 steps, and has a few modes of input.
The first is POLY mode. In POLY mode, whatever step you are on will write any incoming notes to the current step while it is active. To change active step, simply press one of the 16 buttons on the current page. You can also send MIDI CCs to sequence control change data. Note data and CC data are represented by different colored steps.
The second is PERC mode. In PERC mode, the sequencer remembers the last note that was received. Then, any step you press will automatically get that note assigned. In PERC mode, pressing a step which already has a note assigned will remove the note. This allows you to create rapid percussive changes while also controlling notes along the way.
The third is Live mode. This is a traditional live input recording. Playback your notes or modulations in real time and see them recorded into the sequencer.
The eight knobs that are attached to the touch-screen act both as controls for the MIDINA application, as well as assignable CC knobs for each track. The knobs will automatically update their labels and values based on the application state. You can toggle between being in "operation" or "CC" state by pressing the hot button "CCs". Assigning CCs to the knobs is simple - in the popup just press the knob you want to assign, and then select the CC value you want, and done. It automatically saves your assignments so the next time you power up, they're still assigned to that track. Each track has 128 CC assignments, broken in to 16 pages of 8.
On the home screen for MIDINA you will see the current song title at the top of the screen. The current Measure:Beat:Bar value are printed in the center rotating indicators, and below these values is the relative position of the current track. Further down is the message bar which displays incoming midi data and important application messages. Below the message bar are the primary transport controls and sequencer toggle. On the sides are the knob indicators and labels. To the right of the center is the Block Order, which is a scrollable list of up to 16 Blocks, each displaying name, BPM, and Length. The 16 track toggles, labels, and mute-switches are below. You can mute or unmute tracks by toggling on/off the yellow mute strip of each track. Buttons for block operations are to the right of the Block Order. Sequencer buttons and track buttons are to the left, with three hot buttons for ARP, CCs, and Favorites.
There is an Arpeggiator that can be triggered at any time.
There is a "Key" and "Scale" assignment which are adjustable on the home screen. By default you will be in the Key of C and the Scale of Chromatic, so all 12 musical notes are considered valid. You can change the key and scale to adjust the playback of notes from MIDINA to be locked into a mode. Currently support the 7 standard modes with plans to add more.
« What is full of redundancy or formula is predictably boring. What is free of all structure or discipline is randomly boring. In between lies art. » (Wendy Carlos)
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