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Behringer UB-Xa

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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html

"Dear all,

As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.

Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.

Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.

However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.

Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.

Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.

Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.

What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.

When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.

Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.

Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.

Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.

So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.

The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.

And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.

May the fun begin

Uli"


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Dr Pouet l'urss c'est quand on fout au goulag ou en Hp tous ceux qui contredisent la pensé dominante du moment. En URSS on pouvait totalement critiquer! Critiquer les méchants capitalistes, comme Uli... Bien moins la pensé dominante, un peut comme sur AF... ;) Et ne me parle pas de gravité (inversion accusatoire ou l’hôpital sur la charité ?),
C'est presque un drame national pour une erreur de syntaxe sur un caractère chez AF . icon_facepalm.gif
comme dit a Kosmix je ne suis pas contre la critique (c'est pour ceci que je critique le behringer baching :-D ) mais surtout contre le pourrissement systématique de toutes les files behringer.

Surtout que là l'UBXA m’intéresse fortement... DSL pour ce crime contre l'état et la bonne morale Afiéne :bravo:
Et je vais préciser, car visiblement ça ne coule pas de source
Mes messages sont vraiment à lire calmement et sur le ton du sarcasme, humour noir et la dérision, rien de personnel donc.

Aller là il faut vraiment que je pionce
Bonne nuits aux couche tard,



Allumé du potard, amateur d'humour noir, de sarcasmes, de provoque, dérision. Mes messages sont vraiment à lire calmement et sur le ton de l'humour.  Ne pas s'en offusquer donc ! :)

 

 

[ Dernière édition du message le 18/09/2018 à 20:18:14 ]

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Je doute qu' Uli réussisse à faire mieux que Dave smith et Tom oberheim qui ne sont déjà pas arrivé à retrouver le son de l' OBXA avec l' Ob6
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Moi qui me passionne pour le son Oberheim de la grande époque, je trouve l'OB6 très bien mais ce synthé est une réinterprétation de l'OB-8, pas de l'OBXa!
Pour la version Behringer, on verra quand il sortira, on pourra juger ! Mais ce qu'ils ont fait avec le Model D est de l'avis général, excellent ! j'ai vraiment hâte de voir ça ! Avec le Pro one, ils font partis des synthés que je serais capable de prendre à condition que le son soit là.
Et si on veut le son OBXa, on prend l'OBXa sur le marché de l'occase, 3000 euros minimum et faut assurer derrière la maintenance du synthé !

Old School et Electronica

Deux filles Arc en Ciel

[ Dernière édition du message le 25/11/2018 à 11:16:50 ]

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Le propos de l'OB-6 est de reprendre l'architecture du module SEM, en composants discrets pour la partie VCO-VCF-VA, avec le fameux filtre 2 pôles continu ; en ce sens, il est plus proche de l'OB-X, bien que ce dernier ne possède que la version passe-bas du filtre
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Merci m'sieur, du coup je suis allé relire le test de ce super synthé et effectivement tu rappelles que nos deux magiciens américains se sont inspirés du SEM, mais il me semblait avoir lu quelque part que le son était plus proche d'un OB-8, il me semblait ne pas l'avoir inventé. Donc un peu plus loin dans ton article tu dis bien que:
"c’est de l’OB-8 que l’OB-6 se rapproche le plus, lorsqu’on cherche à le faire sonner ainsi (OB-8 en mode filtre passe-bas 2 pôles). Il est moins crémeux qu’un OB-X ou qu’un SEM, certainement parce que les oscillateurs sont différents. Mais cessons-là la comparaison, car l’OB-6 offre des territoires sonores bien plus vastes que nos chers vénérables OB".
Du coup ayant pu essayer cet OB-6 en magasin :aime: je n'ai pu comparer qu'avec ma bibliothèque de samples obi et je trouve que le son est assez proche. L'OBXa est plus virile, ça cogne sévère, je préfère le grain OB-8 mais si je pouvais avoir les deux ... avec un petit Matrix12 et un River :bravo:
Du coup j'attends vraiment de voir ce behri:mdr:

Old School et Electronica

Deux filles Arc en Ciel

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Oui, je parlais bien de l'objectif initial et de l'architecture, pas du résultat. C'était surtout vis-à-vis du post qui disait que DS et TO ne sont pas parvenus à recréer le son de l'OB-Xa. Evidemment, puisque ce n'était pas leur but... Chez Behringer en tout cas, c'est le but avoué, donc cette fois la comparaison directe aura du sens.
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Message d Uli sur Gearslutz. Le processus est en cours mais loin d être achevé, pas de date de sortie ni estimation de prix :

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Hello everyone,

I like to give you an update on the UB-Xa development.

When I announced the project some time ago, I mentioned that it would take at least a year as it is a "labor of love" and our Midas engineer would do this as a side project since their main priorities are with digital mixing consoles.

Because of their high workload, the development of the UB-Xa had unfortunately stalled for quite some time.

Good news is that the team is working on it again and we have just finished all schematics and the mechanical design while the team is now focusing on the board layout and firmware.
This is a major job and don't expect anything soon, however we are confident that we will deliver this project as promised and hopefully at a price which will make everyone happy.

In order to maintain the integrity of the original sound design, we've been using 3340 and 3320 VCO's and VCF's but replaced the outdated digital section with very powerful Arm Processors.

Thanks for your patience.

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Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.

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tiens, rien sur les composants utilisés pour les enveloppes ? Seront-ce des 3310 analogiques ?
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Et une capture d'écran d'une modélisation d'un clavier 5 octaves :aime::aime::aime:
Yes ! Marre de ces claviers 4 octaves.
Behri pour une fois à l'air de prendre le temps de faire les choses sans précipitation, c'est de bonne augure car je pense qu'ils savent qu'ils vont être très attendus sur ce synthé. Je pense que ce sera le remplaçant du Deepmind 12, on peut miser sur le même tarif. Je ne suis pas technicien mais ils ont l'air de maîtriser et de préparer un truc énorme !

Old School et Electronica

Deux filles Arc en Ciel

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Ca devrait être plus cher que le DM je pense. L OB XA, c etait des DCO ou VCO?

Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.