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ou peut-être LES même ! car "hein?" est un autre question très pertinente !
plus sérieusement j'ai cherché, j'ai rien trouvé concernant la 3D
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Héhé....2000 c'est 20ans d'interface au top. La 2882 vaut 1350 neuve
Je remarque aussi que tu parles souvent du matos que tu as acheté avec des prix d'occaz...la 2882 se trouve à 800 en occasion
La 2882 a 8 préamps. La TC 48 semble n'en avoir que 4
Tu parlais de convertisseurs behringer. Rajoute à la 2882 un ultragain adat à 200€..et la tu es déjà à 16 en réservant les ultragain aux tâches moins cruciales.
Quand je disais cheap..c'était dans un contexte pro en tant que solution live fiable..comparée à d'autres solutions du genre radar...
Pas de soucis la TC a l'air vraiment très très chouette pour le prix (même si plus produite)...mais quand on compare...il faut comparer de façon juste...on a 2 outils différents à des prix différents...et chacun y trouve son compte suivant son utilisation et son budget.
Je remarque aussi que tu parles souvent du matos que tu as acheté avec des prix d'occaz...la 2882 se trouve à 800 en occasion
La 2882 a 8 préamps. La TC 48 semble n'en avoir que 4
Tu parlais de convertisseurs behringer. Rajoute à la 2882 un ultragain adat à 200€..et la tu es déjà à 16 en réservant les ultragain aux tâches moins cruciales.
Quand je disais cheap..c'était dans un contexte pro en tant que solution live fiable..comparée à d'autres solutions du genre radar...
Pas de soucis la TC a l'air vraiment très très chouette pour le prix (même si plus produite)...mais quand on compare...il faut comparer de façon juste...on a 2 outils différents à des prix différents...et chacun y trouve son compte suivant son utilisation et son budget.
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Mouais ... tu peux toujours trouver des avis extrêmes, si tu cherches de façon objective sur GS tu t'apercevras qu'il y a beaucoup plus d'utilisateurs qui trouvent que ces préamps (2882) sonnent bien même si courts en gain c'est vrai..
Perso je les utilise surtout en nomade (genre enregistrement de sons dans la nature ...ou percus dans un tunnel désaffecté
) car j'ai des préamps plus colorés (et + haut de gamme) mais sur des batteries ça sonne bien (transparent, réaliste, pas "plat" comme beaucoup de préamps intégrés aux interfaces) même sur des guitares acoustiques, voix, avec des statiques sans soucis (pas avec des rubans évidemment.. ou alors il faut un cloudlifter/fethead) Si j'ai le temps je posterai un exemple.
Je ne pense pas que tu ai utilisé la 2882 en situation pour dire que les préamps sont 100 fois moins bien (!) que ceux de l'ULN2...en fait au niveau timbre et définition c'est similaire, nettement - de gain c'est sûr, mais il fonctionnent très bien pour la plupart des tâches...
Ils ont 2 fois moins de gain que ceux de l'ULN8...mais là on a affaire à des monstres..
D'autres avis sur GS : "Most condensers have enough output for the 2882, even if the recorded level is a bit lower than you'd ideally like, at 24 bit it's really not much of an issue. I personally would not put a fethead in circuit, the 2882 pre's have a good sound on their own"
"And the 25 db of gain you do get still seems much quieter than 25 db of gain on, say, a traveler." (motu)
Une bonne interface à 500€ je cherche ça pour un pote batteur qui veut s'équiper pas cher..donc tu commençais à m'intéresser avec ta TC (je lui avais conseillé focusrite jusque là) puis je me suis aperçu que TC avait arrêté la 48 konnekt à cause d'un problème récurrent, potards de préamp qui meurent les un après les autres donc je ne peux conseiller cette interface à cet ami..plutôt focusrite à ce tarif. Dommage sinon c'est vrai qu'elle a l'air bien pour le prix ... quand à focusrite, avec un oktava en face d'une guitare acoustique il me faut booster le préamp au 3/4 pour avoir un bon niveau (pourtant normalement 55db de gain dispo??) alors que 25 db (sur la mio console) suffisent sur la 2882..bizarre (bon c'était une 2i2..pas une 18i20)
Pour revenir à l'ULN8, une autre alternative est la LIO8..un bon choix pour ceux qui ont une batterie de préamps (et plus accessible à 2200€)
L'apollo c'est bien (UAD EMT en reverb) mais attention à 250€ par plug (les récents) en moyenne, ça revient vite cher aussi.
Perso je les utilise surtout en nomade (genre enregistrement de sons dans la nature ...ou percus dans un tunnel désaffecté
) car j'ai des préamps plus colorés (et + haut de gamme) mais sur des batteries ça sonne bien (transparent, réaliste, pas "plat" comme beaucoup de préamps intégrés aux interfaces) même sur des guitares acoustiques, voix, avec des statiques sans soucis (pas avec des rubans évidemment.. ou alors il faut un cloudlifter/fethead) Si j'ai le temps je posterai un exemple.Je ne pense pas que tu ai utilisé la 2882 en situation pour dire que les préamps sont 100 fois moins bien (!) que ceux de l'ULN2...en fait au niveau timbre et définition c'est similaire, nettement - de gain c'est sûr, mais il fonctionnent très bien pour la plupart des tâches...
Ils ont 2 fois moins de gain que ceux de l'ULN8...mais là on a affaire à des monstres..
D'autres avis sur GS : "Most condensers have enough output for the 2882, even if the recorded level is a bit lower than you'd ideally like, at 24 bit it's really not much of an issue. I personally would not put a fethead in circuit, the 2882 pre's have a good sound on their own"
"And the 25 db of gain you do get still seems much quieter than 25 db of gain on, say, a traveler." (motu)
Une bonne interface à 500€ je cherche ça pour un pote batteur qui veut s'équiper pas cher..donc tu commençais à m'intéresser avec ta TC (je lui avais conseillé focusrite jusque là) puis je me suis aperçu que TC avait arrêté la 48 konnekt à cause d'un problème récurrent, potards de préamp qui meurent les un après les autres donc je ne peux conseiller cette interface à cet ami..plutôt focusrite à ce tarif. Dommage sinon c'est vrai qu'elle a l'air bien pour le prix ... quand à focusrite, avec un oktava en face d'une guitare acoustique il me faut booster le préamp au 3/4 pour avoir un bon niveau (pourtant normalement 55db de gain dispo??) alors que 25 db (sur la mio console) suffisent sur la 2882..bizarre (bon c'était une 2i2..pas une 18i20)
Pour revenir à l'ULN8, une autre alternative est la LIO8..un bon choix pour ceux qui ont une batterie de préamps (et plus accessible à 2200€)
L'apollo c'est bien (UAD EMT en reverb) mais attention à 250€ par plug (les récents) en moyenne, ça revient vite cher aussi.
[ Dernière édition du message le 22/03/2016 à 19:36:44 ]
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Alors c'est bien dommage, ton pote peut se décider a sortir 1350€ alors
J'ai toujours eu du bol avec ces interfaces, et tant qu'elle est sous garantie Thomann je suis tranquille, surtout avec le prix promo en neuf avant son retrait. je viens de mettre le logiciel a jour, toujours suivi.
J ai aussi une motu, qui me serait remplacée pour 160€ au moindre pépin, c est leur politique.
Je cracherais pas non plus sur une ULN8, mais j'ai pour le moment pas 7 fois le prix de ma Konnekt a mettre la dedans tout en redescendant à 8 pistes.
J'ai toujours eu du bol avec ces interfaces, et tant qu'elle est sous garantie Thomann je suis tranquille, surtout avec le prix promo en neuf avant son retrait. je viens de mettre le logiciel a jour, toujours suivi.
J ai aussi une motu, qui me serait remplacée pour 160€ au moindre pépin, c est leur politique.
Je cracherais pas non plus sur une ULN8, mais j'ai pour le moment pas 7 fois le prix de ma Konnekt a mettre la dedans tout en redescendant à 8 pistes.
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Citation de DownSideUp :
Apparemment ce sera une steinberg UR824 d'occasion finalement, budget micros oblige.Alors c'est bien dommage, ton pote peux se décider a sortir 1350€ alors
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ULN2 c'est très bien, mais pas spécialement en nouvel achat. surtout si tu y connais pas grand chose. Je dirai fonce avec la clarett, et se bloquer avec les 2 seules entrées de la ULN2 c est bien frustrant.
Tellement de carte modernes qui font largement le taf. même si je suis fan de Metric Halo.
Tellement de carte modernes qui font largement le taf. même si je suis fan de Metric Halo.
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Citation de Corbo-Billy :
Citation de DownSideUp :hein? ou ça ??
Je me posais la même question !
ou peut-être LES même ! car "hein?" est un autre question très pertinente !
plus sérieusement j'ai cherché, j'ai rien trouvé concernant la 3D
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here is the news from BJ Buchalter himself!
rom the 3D thread on GS:
"Here is the announcement that I promised.
We will begin accepting pre-orders for 3d Card Upgrades and new 3d Units on
6/15/2018. These products will begin shipping via a Public Beta on
6/29/2018.
We have final Golden Master production hardware here ready to ship.
The software is currently in late beta, and we believe that it is both
feature complete enough and stable enough that it is a marked improvement
over 2d for any existing MIO user.
That being said, we know that there are still some features that we want to
complete, and that there are some potential corner cases that still need to
be ironed out. As a result we will initially make the software available as
a public beta.
MIO Console 3d has been engineered as a cross platform application from the
start and Windows support is baked into the codebase. Given that our
existing customer base for the 3d Upgrade is 95% macOS-based, we have
prioritized the deployment of the macOS version of the software.
While we never promised that Windows support would be released
simultaneously with macOS support, the full MIO Console codebase is already
targeted to Windows and we will quickly follow up the macOS release with a
Windows release. After both versions have been released we will maintain
parity between the platforms moving forward.
The 3d USB hardware presents a UAC2 class audio device by default, and the
3d Card is utilizable as a direct-routed audio interface and A/D/A (without
the use of MIO Console) on Windows, Linux and iOS.
The more advanced features of the 3d product will require the use of Mac
for the time being and will be fully enabled on other platforms when the
MIO Console and MHLink drivers ship for those platforms.
Upgrades and new units purchased under the public beta program will enjoy a
discount relative to the prices we have published in the past. Details of
the discounts will be published on 6/15/2018 when the order page goes live.
Many of you have purchased units in the past with a bundled $99 upgrade
deal when the 3d Card ships. We will honor that deal when the public beta
program ends and the product has been officially released. We expect to
officially release the 3d Card by the 4th Quarter of this year.
I'm not going to reiterate the features that I have described in the past;
we will detail the new features on our website.
The question of why this has taken so long has come up a number of times in
this thread, and I would like to address that question.
In 2012 we began the long process of developing our next-generation
platform - something that would provide a solid, future-proof and
extensible base for our future products. All while remaining compatible
with our existing products and continuing to deliver on our future-proof
promise.
The culmination of that effort is the 3d Card platform. Improvements in
processor technology have allowed us (and in many ways, required us) to
re-target our development platform in order to provide a more agile,
accessible and faster development environment all while increasing the
processing power available for user-instantiable functions.
These changes are quite welcome, but they have been quite complex to
implement. The original hardware platform and the 2d platform both used
DSPs that were sufficiently resource limited that the only way to provide
the processing that we achieved was to hand code the Operating System and
all the DSP algorithms in assembly code for an architecture that doesn't
translate to the future.
As a result, we had to re-implement everything in the MIO environment and
+DSP from the ground up - control software, Operating System, and all the
DSP algorithms. Now they are implemented in hand-optimized, yet portable
C++.
So while it was an incredible amount of work to port to a new architecture
-- basically reimplementing the entire product from scratch while also
implementing all the new features -- the payoff is huge. We gain full
portability for the future, as well as access to massive amounts of
on-board low-latency memory, which removes one of the primary resource
limitations we had in the 2d system.
In addition, we had to develop new interface technologies - for
communication between the boxes, for communication with external systems,
and for communication with the computer(s) running your DAW.
3d has custom implemented communication interfaces, with USB and MHLink
(Gigabit Ethernet) in the box. USB and MHLink can communicate directly with
your computer, and MHLink provides an incredibly high bandwith,
exceptionally low-latency box-to-box connection between multiple 3d
equipped units.
No one wants to get stuck with a deprecated interface in the future. 3d is
engineered so that is simply not possible moving forward - we can add new
computer interfaces without having to replace the hardware.
The one thing we know about the future is that it will surprise us. We
designed an extremely high-speed, programmable interface that connects
directly to the 3d Core called "EdgeBus". Each 3d Card inclues an EdgeBus
slot. The EdgeBus slot has the capability to support any number of existing
and future communication interfaces, all at extremely low-latency and
implemented at the hardware level.
Now we weren't satisfied with simply moving our existing processing over to
the new architecture and calling it good. We looked to see what we could do
to really take advantage of the capabilities of our new hardware
architecture. The 3d Core technology is based upon a fused FPGA/processor
design. So we set about to offloading as much of the core audio processing
functions from the processor to the FPGA as we could by developing custom
DSP processor cores.
The results are stunning.
Within the realm of the FPGA we have designed and implemented an Audio
Network on a Chip (ANoC). We set out to design a group of custom,
audio-optimized processors that all interface to each other via the ANoC.
The Metric Halo custom designed processors in 3d include:
* A fully interpolated, high-precision 128 input by 64 output matrix mixer
* A 1024x1024 channel audio signal crosspoint router
* A 1024 channel VU, PPM and Peak Hold metering engine
* MHLink packet formatter and processor
* Custom USB Audio packet formatter and processor
* A variety of audio data processors
- interleaver/deinterleaver/formatting/smux
* Custom MH Controlled and Owned AES/SPDIF/ADAT/MADI/MIDI Link Layer modules
* Custom DMA processor with fixed/float conversion support
All of the FPGA-based custom processors amount to roughly 30x the
processing power of the DSP in the 2d Card. All the processors in the FPGA
run with 1 sample of latency. All the processors in the FPGA support their
full capability at 192kHz. All of the audio transport in the system (with
the exception of DSP processing) is managed in hardware, with no software
component.
I hope that this provides a meaningful update, and would like to thank you
all for the patience that you have shown as we have worked through a
project that was *much* larger than we originally planned for.
We look forward to getting back to our normal approach of being able to
provide ongoing iterative enhancements to our products, and to being able
to communicate about what is happening in a transparent and timely way.
__________________
B.J. Buchalter
Metric Halo
?"?
rom the 3D thread on GS:
"Here is the announcement that I promised.
We will begin accepting pre-orders for 3d Card Upgrades and new 3d Units on
6/15/2018. These products will begin shipping via a Public Beta on
6/29/2018.
We have final Golden Master production hardware here ready to ship.
The software is currently in late beta, and we believe that it is both
feature complete enough and stable enough that it is a marked improvement
over 2d for any existing MIO user.
That being said, we know that there are still some features that we want to
complete, and that there are some potential corner cases that still need to
be ironed out. As a result we will initially make the software available as
a public beta.
MIO Console 3d has been engineered as a cross platform application from the
start and Windows support is baked into the codebase. Given that our
existing customer base for the 3d Upgrade is 95% macOS-based, we have
prioritized the deployment of the macOS version of the software.
While we never promised that Windows support would be released
simultaneously with macOS support, the full MIO Console codebase is already
targeted to Windows and we will quickly follow up the macOS release with a
Windows release. After both versions have been released we will maintain
parity between the platforms moving forward.
The 3d USB hardware presents a UAC2 class audio device by default, and the
3d Card is utilizable as a direct-routed audio interface and A/D/A (without
the use of MIO Console) on Windows, Linux and iOS.
The more advanced features of the 3d product will require the use of Mac
for the time being and will be fully enabled on other platforms when the
MIO Console and MHLink drivers ship for those platforms.
Upgrades and new units purchased under the public beta program will enjoy a
discount relative to the prices we have published in the past. Details of
the discounts will be published on 6/15/2018 when the order page goes live.
Many of you have purchased units in the past with a bundled $99 upgrade
deal when the 3d Card ships. We will honor that deal when the public beta
program ends and the product has been officially released. We expect to
officially release the 3d Card by the 4th Quarter of this year.
I'm not going to reiterate the features that I have described in the past;
we will detail the new features on our website.
The question of why this has taken so long has come up a number of times in
this thread, and I would like to address that question.
In 2012 we began the long process of developing our next-generation
platform - something that would provide a solid, future-proof and
extensible base for our future products. All while remaining compatible
with our existing products and continuing to deliver on our future-proof
promise.
The culmination of that effort is the 3d Card platform. Improvements in
processor technology have allowed us (and in many ways, required us) to
re-target our development platform in order to provide a more agile,
accessible and faster development environment all while increasing the
processing power available for user-instantiable functions.
These changes are quite welcome, but they have been quite complex to
implement. The original hardware platform and the 2d platform both used
DSPs that were sufficiently resource limited that the only way to provide
the processing that we achieved was to hand code the Operating System and
all the DSP algorithms in assembly code for an architecture that doesn't
translate to the future.
As a result, we had to re-implement everything in the MIO environment and
+DSP from the ground up - control software, Operating System, and all the
DSP algorithms. Now they are implemented in hand-optimized, yet portable
C++.
So while it was an incredible amount of work to port to a new architecture
-- basically reimplementing the entire product from scratch while also
implementing all the new features -- the payoff is huge. We gain full
portability for the future, as well as access to massive amounts of
on-board low-latency memory, which removes one of the primary resource
limitations we had in the 2d system.
In addition, we had to develop new interface technologies - for
communication between the boxes, for communication with external systems,
and for communication with the computer(s) running your DAW.
3d has custom implemented communication interfaces, with USB and MHLink
(Gigabit Ethernet) in the box. USB and MHLink can communicate directly with
your computer, and MHLink provides an incredibly high bandwith,
exceptionally low-latency box-to-box connection between multiple 3d
equipped units.
No one wants to get stuck with a deprecated interface in the future. 3d is
engineered so that is simply not possible moving forward - we can add new
computer interfaces without having to replace the hardware.
The one thing we know about the future is that it will surprise us. We
designed an extremely high-speed, programmable interface that connects
directly to the 3d Core called "EdgeBus". Each 3d Card inclues an EdgeBus
slot. The EdgeBus slot has the capability to support any number of existing
and future communication interfaces, all at extremely low-latency and
implemented at the hardware level.
Now we weren't satisfied with simply moving our existing processing over to
the new architecture and calling it good. We looked to see what we could do
to really take advantage of the capabilities of our new hardware
architecture. The 3d Core technology is based upon a fused FPGA/processor
design. So we set about to offloading as much of the core audio processing
functions from the processor to the FPGA as we could by developing custom
DSP processor cores.
The results are stunning.
Within the realm of the FPGA we have designed and implemented an Audio
Network on a Chip (ANoC). We set out to design a group of custom,
audio-optimized processors that all interface to each other via the ANoC.
The Metric Halo custom designed processors in 3d include:
* A fully interpolated, high-precision 128 input by 64 output matrix mixer
* A 1024x1024 channel audio signal crosspoint router
* A 1024 channel VU, PPM and Peak Hold metering engine
* MHLink packet formatter and processor
* Custom USB Audio packet formatter and processor
* A variety of audio data processors
- interleaver/deinterleaver/formatting/smux
* Custom MH Controlled and Owned AES/SPDIF/ADAT/MADI/MIDI Link Layer modules
* Custom DMA processor with fixed/float conversion support
All of the FPGA-based custom processors amount to roughly 30x the
processing power of the DSP in the 2d Card. All the processors in the FPGA
run with 1 sample of latency. All the processors in the FPGA support their
full capability at 192kHz. All of the audio transport in the system (with
the exception of DSP processing) is managed in hardware, with no software
component.
I hope that this provides a meaningful update, and would like to thank you
all for the patience that you have shown as we have worked through a
project that was *much* larger than we originally planned for.
We look forward to getting back to our normal approach of being able to
provide ongoing iterative enhancements to our products, and to being able
to communicate about what is happening in a transparent and timely way.
__________________
B.J. Buchalter
Metric Halo
?"?
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Le nouvel MIO n'est pas achevé .
- Ils n'ont pas encore intégré les CHARACTERS (indispensable)
- adieu les couleurs de pistes
- adieu le contrôle de largeur de pistes au choix
Dans 4 ans peut-être ?
Honnêtement, tout ça ajouté au temps qui passe trèèèèèèèès lentement chez Metric Halo,
ça me donne envie d'annuler mon pré-achat de la 3d .
Ca fait 4 ans que cette carte 3d a été annoncée, faut quand-même pas pousser .
Je leur donne 15 jours .
- Ils n'ont pas encore intégré les CHARACTERS (indispensable)
- adieu les couleurs de pistes
- adieu le contrôle de largeur de pistes au choix
Dans 4 ans peut-être ?
Honnêtement, tout ça ajouté au temps qui passe trèèèèèèèès lentement chez Metric Halo,
ça me donne envie d'annuler mon pré-achat de la 3d .
Ca fait 4 ans que cette carte 3d a été annoncée, faut quand-même pas pousser .
Je leur donne 15 jours .
[ Dernière édition du message le 20/07/2018 à 12:08:27 ]
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