Comment conserver la Release d'un synthé quand on le mute ?

Hi !
I have a problem with the behaviour of the Force.
With my previous machines, when in Mute Mode, muting a part resulted in stopping the next notes from the part. The last note, if it had a long release time (in the adsr parameters), would slowly disappear.
Here, on the Force, when I mute a part, the part is instantly cut, long release or not. And if the synth has a long release, that produce a strange and non musical effect.
In fact, I expect the mute mode is doing like with an external synth : if I mute a MIDI track (which pilot an external synth), the release will slowly extinct the synth. Internal synths of the Force don't react the same, unfortunately.
It seems that the Force, in mute mode, is doing an audio mute, not a MIDI mute.
I searched in the manual but didn't find a solution, or at least a way to avoid this behaviour. Stopping the clip does the same non musical effect.
Is there a way to change this behaviour ? To have a MIDI mute and note an audio mute ?
I saw the MPC Live has a Pad or Track mute mode. Maybe it's this function I'm looking at ?
Thanks a lot !

Hi Benjamin,
Thank you for reaching out to us. I appreciate the opportunity to assist you!
I’m sorry to hear that you’re having trouble! We are currently testing this behavior on our end.
In the mean time, what you can do is convert the External Midi Clip to an Audio Track and it will mute immediately when the mute button is pressed.
If you have additional questions or concerns, or if the information we provided today does not help completely resolve your inquiry, please let me know!
For additional assistance, or to re-open your case, just respond to this email with your case number 1568172 in the subject line. I'll be glad to help!
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Dara Pok
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Thanks for your answer !

But what I'm looking for is exactly the opposite of an immediate muting of the sound.

An exemple will be easier for me to explain :
Load the plugin Hype to play the bell preset "Bellish Vox Pad".
Cancel the reverb and delay effects, and place some notes.
Finally, press play to launch the sequence
There !
If you mute the track, the sound will immediately stop. Same (worst in fact) if you stop the clip.
What I want the Force to do is to let the last notes finish, let the release of the synth end.

Another exemple :
If I play on a real guitar and stop playing, the last notes will slowly disapear (and not stop like if I was stopping a sound file playing), that is the behaviour I'm looking at on the Force when I use the mute mode.

Not stoping the sound. Only stoping the next notes triggering.

That was the meaning of the first exemple I gave on the first message.
Slaving an external synth with the Force will be the behavior I want : when I mute the midi track, a long release synth will slowly extinct, not directly stop.

I'm wishing the same for the Force's internal synth (Hype, TubeSynth, etc...).

Thanks a lot !

Hi Benjamin,
Thank you for reaching out to us. I appreciate the opportunity to assist you!
I’m sorry to hear that you’re having trouble! We are currently testing this behavior on our end.
In the mean time, what you can do is convert the External Midi Clip to an Audio Track and it will mute immediately when the mute button is pressed.
If you have additional questions or concerns, or if the information we provided today does not help completely resolve your inquiry, please let me know!
For additional assistance, or to re-open your case, just respond to this email with your case number 1571783 in the subject line. I'll be glad to help!
Best Regards,
Joshua Navarro

va poster ta mesaventure dans ce thread:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1246262-akai-pro-force-43.html
Il y a xparis qui est d'Akai qui lit les messages, il te repondra.

( et comprenne )

je viens de voir l'ascenseur émotionnel que tu as du prendre sur Gearslutz pour ton problème

bon le point positif c'est que ça devrait finir par débouler sur la force, vu que c'est dispo sur la MPC !

Hello,

Thank you for contacting me today.

I understand what you mean about the internal synths cutting out when muting or stopping all clips, this is how this machine works If you are looking to add a “tail” to the synths, I would recommend to add a delay or reverb to the ACTUAL plugin track as opposed to adding the effect on the program edit window.

The tails on external synths will continue even after stopping the clip because the synth modules are not getting a message that is saying “this clip has stopped.” When a clip stops, it just stops sending MIDI, so its not telling an external synth to stop playing it just wont receive anymore MIDI causing the sound to continue at the end of a sequence. Hope this makes sense!

Perhaps when arrangement view is introduced to the Force (like song mode is available in the MPC X or MPC Live) there will be a tail option when transitioning through sequences or muting internal plugins. I would be happy to submit your feedback regarding the Mute options, be on the lookout for updates on the Akai web site!

Please let me know if there are any questions or concerns!

Best Regards,

Cristian Farro

J'ai à nouveau contacté Akaï (ça vire au harcèlement ) et j'ai reçu une réponse un peu plus constructive :

Citation :

Hello,

Thank you for contacting me today.

I understand what you mean about the internal synths cutting out when muting or stopping all clips, this is how this machine works If you are looking to add a “tail” to the synths, I would recommend to add a delay or reverb to the ACTUAL plugin track as opposed to adding the effect on the program edit window.

The tails on external synths will continue even after stopping the clip because the synth modules are not getting a message that is saying “this clip has stopped.” When a clip stops, it just stops sending MIDI, so its not telling an external synth to stop playing it just wont receive anymore MIDI causing the sound to continue at the end of a sequence. Hope this makes sense!

Perhaps when arrangement view is introduced to the Force (like song mode is available in the MPC X or MPC Live) there will be a tail option when transitioning through sequences or muting internal plugins. I would be happy to submit your feedback regarding the Mute options, be on the lookout for updates on the Akai web site!

Please let me know if there are any questions or concerns!

Best Regards,

Cristian Farro

Tout espoir n'est pas perdu.