Behringer UB-Xa
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tomheck
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
erewhon
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211 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 20:17:44
x
Hors sujet :Citation :qui cimente encore plus les protagonistes sur leur position.
Ben ouais, c'était clair que ça ne pouvait finir qu'en débat de café de commerce...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
dpuppet
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212 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 21:59:12
La discussion est peut être stérile, mais on en encore le droit d'échanger nos points de vu.
Je sais que c'est dur quand on est un junky accro à l'aFéine de ne pas lire et intervenir dans tous les forums.
Mais si nos avis ne vous intéresse pas, pas besoin d'en dégoûter les autres, encore moins de les balayer avec condescendance.
Je suis pas sûr que si je lisais vos milliers de messages, j'y trouverai que des interventions digne d'une discussion d'académiciens dans un salon feutré.
Je sais que c'est dur quand on est un junky accro à l'aFéine de ne pas lire et intervenir dans tous les forums.
Mais si nos avis ne vous intéresse pas, pas besoin d'en dégoûter les autres, encore moins de les balayer avec condescendance.
Je suis pas sûr que si je lisais vos milliers de messages, j'y trouverai que des interventions digne d'une discussion d'académiciens dans un salon feutré.
Beatless
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213 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 22:13:55
x
Hors sujet :Dans certains cas ce n'est plus de l'échange.
S'il n'y a pas de solution, c'est qu'il n'y a pas de problème.
totounet
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Je poste, donc je suis
Membre depuis 13 ans
214 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 22:36:36
Soit mais on est tous humains et pas parfait.
Je pense que ne rien dire dans un sujet et venir montrer du doigt ceux qui disent dans leurs désaccords n’est pas plus louable
Petit rappel:
Ce sujet de brodage de mousse a été créé suite a l’annonce dans un forum de mr berhinger qui t’explique qu’il va faire ca mais qu’il n’a encore rien fait, mais qu’il est tres content de venir dans un forum pour dire que meme s’il n’a encore rien fait il est super fier et qu’en plus il va vous faire plaisir!
Aucune musique la dedans, mais un gros pavé de com bien gras!
De la avalanche de Wouaw et de Wesh....
Tout ca sur un produit qu’on dit qu’il va exister mais qui n’existe pas.
Quelque part, vu le sujet de base je trouve que ca pourrait etre pire.
Bah ouais on parle de l’idée du projet, de sa com et de la philosophie de l’entreprise....mais en meme temps vous voulez dire quoi les plus malins sur le produit?
Qu’il sonne bien?
Que ses potards et ses flancs en bois sont bien finis?
La faute a Uli les cocos
Je pense que ne rien dire dans un sujet et venir montrer du doigt ceux qui disent dans leurs désaccords n’est pas plus louable
Petit rappel:
Ce sujet de brodage de mousse a été créé suite a l’annonce dans un forum de mr berhinger qui t’explique qu’il va faire ca mais qu’il n’a encore rien fait, mais qu’il est tres content de venir dans un forum pour dire que meme s’il n’a encore rien fait il est super fier et qu’en plus il va vous faire plaisir!
Aucune musique la dedans, mais un gros pavé de com bien gras!
De la avalanche de Wouaw et de Wesh....
Tout ca sur un produit qu’on dit qu’il va exister mais qui n’existe pas.
Quelque part, vu le sujet de base je trouve que ca pourrait etre pire.
Bah ouais on parle de l’idée du projet, de sa com et de la philosophie de l’entreprise....mais en meme temps vous voulez dire quoi les plus malins sur le produit?
Qu’il sonne bien?
Que ses potards et ses flancs en bois sont bien finis?
La faute a Uli les cocos
[ Dernière édition du message le 23/01/2018 à 22:39:08 ]
Jimbass
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215 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 22:50:56
Il a dit qu'on allait pouvoir suivre les étapes du développement, et que les ingénieurs seront à l'écoute des suggestions. Le reste c'est toi qui interprète.
Musikmesser 2013 - Bullshit Gourous - Tocxic Instruments - festivals Foud'Rock, Metal Sphère et la Tour met les Watts
erewhon
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216 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 22:59:36
Citation :
Je suis pas sûr que si je lisais vos milliers de messages, j'y trouverai que des interventions digne d'une discussion d'académiciens dans un salon feutré.
Bien sur que si, d'ailleurs y a t'il plus de lignes bleues sur ce projet que sur l'OB6 de DSI???
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
totounet
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Je poste, donc je suis
Membre depuis 13 ans
217 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 23:29:48
Citation de Jimbass :
Il a dit qu'on allait pouvoir suivre les étapes du développement, et que les ingénieurs seront à l'écoute des suggestions. Le reste c'est toi qui interprète.
Ha oui pardon j’ai du me tromper effectivement:
Uli n’est pas du tout venu dans un des forums anglophobes les plus frequentés pour faire un gros coup de com enorme comme un elephant au milieu d’un couloir
- Stef -
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218 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 23:31:01
Je voulais dire un truc et puis finalement totounet résume ma façon de voir les choses très bien
Il est très fort pour occuper le terrain médiatique, étrangement beaucoup moins pour être créatif.
Je me demande si SW n'a pas raison quand il dit que le DM12 ne c’est peux être pas si bien vendu finalement ?
Citation :
Il a dit qu'on allait pouvoir suivre les étapes du développement, et que les ingénieurs seront à l'écoute des suggestions. Le reste c'est toi qui interprète.
Il est très fort pour occuper le terrain médiatique, étrangement beaucoup moins pour être créatif.
Je me demande si SW n'a pas raison quand il dit que le DM12 ne c’est peux être pas si bien vendu finalement ?
bedoOne
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Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e
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219 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 23:35:28
Regarde le classement des ventes dans les magasins
- Stef -
74
Posteur·euse AFfranchi·e
Membre depuis 13 ans
220 Posté le 23/01/2018 à 23:40:14
Ca ne veut rien dire, il faudrait savoir combien il pensé en vendre et combien il en a vendu.
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