Behringer UB-Xa
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tomheck
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
erewhon
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191 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 21:14:08
Citation :
un moment il a bien fallu inventer le minimoog pour que tu puisses le desirer.
Tout comme il a été pareillement inventé pour pouvoir lui manifester une haine irrationnelle...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
johnjohnson
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Membre depuis 16 ans
193 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 21:26:09
C'est clair qu'il est bon de rappeler le passé de Behringer, ça tue l'innovation, quand il aura tout copié et fait tombé ceux qui innovent il n'y aura plus de nouveaux synthé (c'est une image un peu extreme mais réaliste).
Je pense que la société est justement en changement vis à vis de cette mondialisation, moi le premier et de plus en plus de gens autour de moi, suffit de regarder la demande en fruit et légumes bio exploser, donc oui je me renseigne sur la fabrication des machines que je compte acheter et ça me semble important. Apres on a l'autre partie des gens qui n'en ont rien à foutre de rien et qui veulent un Minimoog pour 300 balles quitte à avoir un filtre à l'uranium.
Le contraire certainement pas juste une petite précision pour certain poste que j'ai pu lire, ça c'était des gens passionné et jusque maintenant Uli n'en fait pas partie.
Je pense que la société est justement en changement vis à vis de cette mondialisation, moi le premier et de plus en plus de gens autour de moi, suffit de regarder la demande en fruit et légumes bio exploser, donc oui je me renseigne sur la fabrication des machines que je compte acheter et ça me semble important. Apres on a l'autre partie des gens qui n'en ont rien à foutre de rien et qui veulent un Minimoog pour 300 balles quitte à avoir un filtre à l'uranium.
Citation :
un moment il a bien fallu inventer le minimoog pour que tu puisses le desirer.
Qui peut dire le contraire ?
Le contraire certainement pas juste une petite précision pour certain poste que j'ai pu lire, ça c'était des gens passionné et jusque maintenant Uli n'en fait pas partie.
erewhon
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194 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 21:35:44
Ben, comme cet effet de mode vintage est condamné à être cyclique, il n'y a pas à s'en faire, la roue une foi bien tournée le Uli sera obligé à s'auto-plagier et belle et resplendissante serra sa chute ou alors nous assisterons à un miracle et ses auto-copies seront d'une invraisemblable innovation dans la désuétude...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
Hiyasta1
2019
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195 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 21:41:53
Citation de geronimo33 :
Ok et ceux qui ne veulent pas ressortir des reproductions a l' identique à bas prix pour préserver leur image ( élitiste ) de marque, ils sont guidés par quoi d' aprés toi ?...
Cette affirmation me semble étrange. Je ne vois pas en quoi ne pas ressortir un de ses succès anciens à l’identique préserve une image de marque ? Ce serait probablement la voie la plus simple si derrière la marque était certaine de vendre à la pelle. Je pense surtout qu’à leur échelle (Roland, Korg...) ça ne vaut pas forcément le coup parce que derrière y a pas autant de demande que l’on veut bien le croire.
Lennon Mercury
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196 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 22:01:05
Et c est reparti pour le sempiternel débat gentils contre méchants! Y a le même sur le topic consacré au Prologue, au VC340 et au Model D, et toujours avec les mêmes protagonistes
Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.
ahoupa
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197 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 22:04:18
Ca s"appelle le comique de répétition.
dpuppet
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198 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 22:05:17
Citation :
Je pense que la société est justement en changement vis à vis de cette mondialisation, moi le premier et de plus en plus de gens autour de moi, suffit de regarder la demande en fruit et légumes bio exploser, donc oui je me renseigne sur la fabrication des machines que je compte acheter et ça me semble important. Apres on a l'autre partie des gens qui n'en ont rien à foutre de rien et qui veulent un Minimoog pour 300 balles quitte à avoir un filtre à l'uranium.
Tu peux donc affirmer qu'il n'y a aucun produit fabriquer en chine chez toi ?
Il ne faut pas se leurrer, à part quelles marques, dont je reconnais la qualité mais que beaucoup n'ont pas les moyens de s'offrir, il n'y a pas plus grand monde qui ne fabrique pas en chine. Et même pour ceux qui arbore fièrement un made in USA, UK, Germany... ils ne font qu'assemblé des composants produits en Asie. Plus aucun composants n'est produit en occident.
C'est comme quand on prend l'avion, quand on a pas les moyens on voyage avec Easy Jet, et dès que l'on peut on prend un vol Air France. C'est plus luxueux, en apparence meilleur pour l'économie nationale, mais au final que l'on prenne l'un ou l'autre le bilan carbone est le même pour la planète.
Ce qui dérange finalement certain c'est plus la forme que le fond, parce que le minimoog à 300 balles au filtre à l'uranium, tu marques dessus "Korg Monologue" ou "Arturia Microbrute" et pour le même prix tu as un synthé génial, garantie sans uranium.
[ Dernière édition du message le 22/01/2018 à 22:07:01 ]
johnjohnson
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199 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 22:07:59
Il me semble normal en temps que musiciens que nous sommes de soutenir les créateurs de synthétiseurs qui sont eux aussi des artistes en soit, au détriments des copieurs, ça me parait être en phase.
Lennon Mercury
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200 Posté le 22/01/2018 à 22:12:46
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Hors sujet :Bien entendu, mais chez certains ca vire a l obsession et au bout d un moment c est indigeste a lire.
Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.
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