Behringer UB-Xa
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tomheck
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
alphatruc
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411 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 19:45:15
@ synthwalker
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Hors sujet :tu crois pas si bien dire lol
il y a eu pas mal ! (misere)
Puis certains avaient qu'une angoisse c que leur machine retombe en panne apres le bordel qu'il avait fallu pour réparer (enfin tu connais ça très bien, d'ailleurs il y avait certains des appareils que tu as cité)
Tamburini & Liberatore
[ Dernière édition du message le 06/01/2019 à 19:49:38 ]
erewhon
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412 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 19:51:14
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Hors sujet :Citation :...et bloum, un Synthex qui vient se fracasser...
La foule d'envieux à posteriori qui auraient rêvés de passer là dessous pour servir d'amortisseur entre synthés et trottoir (une image comme ça induite par la tienne)...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
[ Dernière édition du message le 06/01/2019 à 19:51:31 ]
Push-Pull
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Vie après AF ?
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413 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 19:52:20
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Hors sujet :SW, tu rigoles, mais j'ai un pote près de chez moi qui faisait de l'ordre dans son local de répète. Tiens, c'est quoi dans ce gros flight case ? Oh, un vieil Oberheim...
Une prise de courant pour voir que les LEDs clignotent, rien ne répond, pas de son...
Alors le gars, en bon guitariste, zou avec tout le bordel qui devait partir pour la déchetterie.
Et un OBXa qui part en vol plané pour s'écraser contre de vieux lave-linge, un !
[ Dernière édition du message le 06/01/2019 à 19:53:01 ]
alphatruc
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414 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 19:54:12
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Hors sujet :On m'avais DONNE un OBXa comme ça (en vidant un studio son) oui oui je rigole pas ! et pas que ça en plus
Puis quand tu passe ta vie chez les réparateurs synths, ben il y en a toujours un qui te dit "tiens tu veux pas celui là, le client n'est pas venu le chercher depuis plus d'un an, et hop lol, eh ben tu peut pas t'imaginer combien de mec plein de fric oublis leur matos c dingue
Tamburini & Liberatore
[ Dernière édition du message le 06/01/2019 à 20:03:19 ]
synthwalker
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415 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 19:58:55
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Hors sujet :c'était peut-être ça la bonne idée, tout bazarder pour repartir sur des bases saines et ne pas voir des gros porcs s'enrichir en vendant des OB-Xa comme neufs - juste 3 voix, 4 touches et 12 potards qui ne répondent plus - pour 8.000 boules
alphatruc
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416 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 20:20:45
@ synthwalker
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Hors sujet :Quand j'ai jeté un appareil c toujours avec mal au cœur, si je jette c que c n'était pas réparable du moins c que me disait le réparateur (pas de pièce de rechange) puis quand je jetais en fait je donnais l'appareil a un réparateur pour qu'il puisse en faire profiter d'autres personnes en récupérant des pièces dessus (ce qui est bien normal quand on aime ces machines, puis surtout quand soit même on es en attente de pièces on espère en faisant cela que tout le monde fasse pareil), synthwalker je ne suis pas électronicien j'y comprend rien je fait seulement confiance a un professionnel (mais grâce a cela j'ai aussi pu parfois avoir du matos gratuit en échange)
Tamburini & Liberatore
[ Dernière édition du message le 06/01/2019 à 20:54:54 ]
Lennon Mercury
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417 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 20:24:02
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Hors sujet :Au fait Synthwalker, si ça t intéresse, comme ça tu n auras pas besoin d acheter les prochains synthés Behringer pour les tester :
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157033087778914&id=105517788913&refid=8&_ft_=qid.6643458167180261816%3Amf_story_key.6947414963378617937%3Atop_level_post_id.10157033087778914%3Acontent_owner_id_new.105517788913%3Acall_to_action_type.APPLY_NOW%3Apage_id.105517788913%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10157033087733914%3Astory_location.5%3Astory_attachment_style.job_search_job_opening%3Apage_insights.%7B"105517788913"%3A%7B"role"%3A1%2C"page_id"%3A105517788913%2C"post_context"%3A%7B"story_fbid"%3A10157033087778914%2C"publish_time"%3A1546800418%2C"story_name"%3A"EntStatusCreationStory"%2C"object_fbtype"%3A266%7D%2C"actor_id"%3A105517788913%2C"psn"%3A"EntStatusCreationStory"%2C"sl"%3A5%2C"dm"%3A%7B"isShare"%3A0%2C"originalPostOwnerID"%3A0%7D%2C"targets"%3A%5B%7B"page_id"%3A105517788913%2C"actor_id"%3A105517788913%2C"role"%3A1%2C"post_id"%3A10157033087778914%2C"share_id"%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.
synthwalker
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419 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 20:58:55
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Hors sujet :Citation de Lennon :xHors sujet :Au fait Synthwalker, si ça t intéresse, comme ça tu n auras pas besoin d acheter les prochains synthés Behringer pour les tester :
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157033087778914&id=105517788913&refid=8&_ft_=qid.6643458167180261816%3Amf_story_key.6947414963378617937%3Atop_level_post_id.10157033087778914%3Acontent_owner_id_new.105517788913%3Acall_to_action_type.APPLY_NOW%3Apage_id.105517788913%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.10157033087733914%3Astory_location.5%3Astory_attachment_style.job_search_job_opening%3Apage_insights.%7B"105517788913"%3A%7B"role"%3A1%2C"page_id"%3A105517788913%2C"post_context"%3A%7B"story_fbid"%3A10157033087778914%2C"publish_time"%3A1546800418%2C"story_name"%3A"EntStatusCreationStory"%2C"object_fbtype"%3A266%7D%2C"actor_id"%3A105517788913%2C"psn"%3A"EntStatusCreationStory"%2C"sl"%3A5%2C"dm"%3A%7B"isShare"%3A0%2C"originalPostOwnerID"%3A0%7D%2C"targets"%3A%5B%7B"page_id"%3A105517788913%2C"actor_id"%3A105517788913%2C"role"%3A1%2C"post_id"%3A10157033087778914%2C"share_id"%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=%2As%2As-R
Chut, s'ils me choppent, ils me transforment en saucisse de Francfort...
Coyote14
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420 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 21:01:16
Il a 3,5 chances sur 5 d’y aller.
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