Behringer UB-Xa
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tomheck
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
synthwalker
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391 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 15:15:02
Citation de paladin6169 :
Ca ne serait plus du tout le même prix .
Pour l'Odyssey il a des mémoires , mais pas pour des présets.
Ah, un connaisseur...
Jimbass
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392 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 15:21:35
Oui, il y a toujours un petit truc en plus de la simple copie :
- LFO et modulation plus flexible (comme le Minimoog Reissue), filtre hi-pass et compatibilité eurorack pour le Model D
- FM, forme d'onde triangle et séquenceur amélioré sur le MS-101
- choix du filtre, séquenceur et multi-effets sur l'Odyssey
- un mystérieux mode "poly" et compatibilité eurorack pour le Pro-1
- LFO et modulation plus flexible (comme le Minimoog Reissue), filtre hi-pass et compatibilité eurorack pour le Model D
- FM, forme d'onde triangle et séquenceur amélioré sur le MS-101
- choix du filtre, séquenceur et multi-effets sur l'Odyssey
- un mystérieux mode "poly" et compatibilité eurorack pour le Pro-1
Musikmesser 2013 - Bullshit Gourous - Tocxic Instruments - festivals Foud'Rock, Metal Sphère et la Tour met les Watts
paladin6169
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393 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 15:43:13
Citation de synthwalker :
Citation de paladin6169 :Ca ne serait plus du tout le même prix .
Pour l'Odyssey il a des mémoires , mais pas pour des présets.
Ah, un connaisseur...
Il suffit de lire attentivement quand les infos techniques précisent circulent sur le net, et que d'autres que moi l'expriment sur Audiofanzine.
Mon seul mérite est de lire le français du coup , voir de le comprendre
Nous cronstuisons le son mais ce n'est qu'un début:
https://atome69.bandcamp.com/releases
falkenmaze
3301
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394 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 17:52:01
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Hors sujet :Citation :Mon seul mérite est de lire le français du coup , voir de le comprendre
Imagine un peu quand tu ajouteras l'anglais
dpuppet
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Membre depuis 13 ans
395 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 17:54:19
Citation :
Vous vous souvenez de son projet d'Odyssey ? Ca commence à dater.
Ca a été annoncé il y a environ un an, et il est en pré production et devrait donc sortir rapidement d'ici quelques mois. On a vu plus long comme délai. Je suis pas sur que les autres marques fassent beaucoup mieu, la seule différence c'est qu'elles annoncent leurs produits qu'une fois ceux ci déjà en pré prod. Forcément l'attente est plus courte.
Behringer a déjà sortie 3 synthés en peu de temps, c'est plutôt pas mal pour une entreprise qui se lance dans ce domaine.
Le problème ce n'est pas le temps qu'ils mettent à sortir leurs produits, et de comparer ça avec une micro entreprise qui a mis des années entre l'idée et la sortie, mais l'impatience et la méconnaissance des gens dans la durée du développement d'un produit. Comme si entre un dessin et un produit fini, du moment qu'on a de nombreux employés et un schéma ca ne devrait pas durer plus de quelques jours.
Si ils arrivent a sortir 1 ou 2 produits par an ça sera déjà un excellent rendement, sachant que Behringer est loin de ne fabriquer que des synthés.
Avec toutes les annonces qu'ils ont fait on en a pour plus de 10 ou 15 ans avant d'en voir la liste complète. Du pain bénit pour les raleurs pendant encore de longues années.
Surtout qu'ils viennent encore d'annoncer 40 modules eurorack à 50 balles !
synthwalker
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396 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 18:10:03
Le temps de développement d'un synthé est de 3 à 5 ans, c'est ce que je peux constate avec les 10-15 marques qui sortent un produit régulièrement. Le développement d'un nouveau produit commence quand son prédécesseur sort sur le marché...
Si une marque annonce la couleur très tôt, il faut être patient. L'objectif est de geler le marché, plein de marques font cela. Il faut alors avoir de la mémoire et être encore plus patient avec certaines marques, dont le prix des produits neufs peut baisser de 50% l'année suivant le lancement...
Si une marque annonce la couleur très tôt, il faut être patient. L'objectif est de geler le marché, plein de marques font cela. Il faut alors avoir de la mémoire et être encore plus patient avec certaines marques, dont le prix des produits neufs peut baisser de 50% l'année suivant le lancement...
erewhon
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397 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 18:10:56
Citation :
Surtout qu'ils viennent encore d'annoncer 40 modules eurorack à 50 balles !
https://fr.audiofanzine.com/behringer/forums/t.663878,commentaires-sur-la-news-bientot-des-modules-eurorack-chez-behringer.html
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
alphatruc
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398 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 18:13:13
Je me régale que Behringer clone tous ces vieux synths, je suis très contant pour les jeunes générations, ils veulent du vintage et ils vont surement avoir tous les bons vieux vintages de l'époque a prix imbattable (donc accessible a des jeunes). Grace a tout cela j’espère que cela permettra pour beaucoup de relativisé l'image qu'ont ces vieilles bécanes aujourd'hui. Puis en plus avec de l'usb etc... bravo behringer, enfin des pas cher avec une aura légendaire. J'avais pas vu d'aussi bonnes nouvelles depuis longtemps (même si j'en achèterai peut être pas un seul).
Tamburini & Liberatore
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r0ck&roll
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399 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 18:18:44
Citation de erewhon :
Citation :Surtout qu'ils viennent encore d'annoncer 40 modules eurorack à 50 balles !
https://fr.audiofanzine.com/behringer/forums/t.663878,commentaires-sur-la-news-bientot-des-modules-eurorack-chez-behringer.html
La démocratisation du modulaire est en marche, on va être un paquet à tenter l'aventure
Lennon Mercury
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400 Posté le 06/01/2019 à 18:20:01
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Hors sujet :Citation de dpuppet :Citation :Vous vous souvenez de son projet d'Odyssey ? Ca commence à dater.
Ca a été annoncé il y a environ un an, et il est en pré production et devrait donc sortir rapidement d'ici quelques mois. On a vu plus long comme délai.
En fait non, le projet Odyssey a été annoncé fin 2014!
https://fr.audiofanzine.com/synthe-analogique/behringer/news/a.play,n.27726.html
Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.
[ Dernière édition du message le 06/01/2019 à 18:26:23 ]
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