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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 27/08/2003 à 18:42:22Depeche Mode
Je m ecoutais du depeche mode la, ,et je me disais que sans eux ya des groupes qui seraient pas comme y sont maintenant...je pense a Paradise lost par exemple...
Vous trouvez pas que c est un groupe culte vous?
Vous trouvez pas que c est un groupe culte vous?
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811 Posté le 22/07/2023 à 13:30:13
It was at Hamburg that they discovered Dave was doing heroin after Alan found the paraphernalia of addiction in his room. They were furious, not only with him but with themselves. His behaviour suddenly made sense and they wondered why they hadn’t realised before. They told him that he had to sort himself out and for a while things improved. Ultimately though, there was nothing they could do. He was still in the euphoric stages of his drug abuse and he hadn’t fully realised the extent of his problem.
" Martin, Fletch and Alan were pretty naive. They thought that I had decided to become more reclusive and become this strange rock star.” Dave
Depeche Mode - The Early Years
" Martin, Fletch and Alan were pretty naive. They thought that I had decided to become more reclusive and become this strange rock star.” Dave
Depeche Mode - The Early Years
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812 Posté le 23/07/2023 à 00:59:39
SOFAD :
Meanwhile, in the later stages of recording, Flood and Wilder wrapped electronic sounds and textures around the real-time traditional instruments used in Madrid.
On the thunderous ‘I Feel You’ they applied a lot of technology to a performance-based track, in an attempt to retain the dynamics of a human performance without becoming an average rock band. Depeche Mode were still using their Akai and Emulator samplers, along with lots of rack-mounted and modular synths: a MiniMoog, Oberheims, the Roland 700 system, ARP 2600s. On Songs of Faith and Devotion there are fewer modern synthesizers than ever before - no DX7s, PPGs, or things like that — because they preferred the roundness and grittiness of the analogues. Plus, the old synths have their own organic quality which bled into the raw, natural sounds of the songs.
‘Actually if you listen to that album it’s not a rock record at all,’ argues Wilder, ‘it’s got lots of electronic elements on it. I think a lot of the perception comes from the image of Dave with long hair and tattoos.’ It seems that Songs of Faith and Devotion has been dubbed ‘rock’ as a broad term meaning ‘not electronic’, as the influences are quite wide-rang- ing, including gospel, blues, progressive rock, hip-hop and soul.
There’s even a psychedelic, trippy feel to ‘Mercy In You’ and ‘Rush’, created by Wilder’s experiments with reversing sounds which was all part of a determination to move on from the rigid pulse of Violator.
The album was eventually mixed at Olympic Studios in London by Wilder, Flood and Mark ‘Spike’ Stent, the latter knocking them out at a rapid rate which alarmed Wilder.
Meanwhile, in the later stages of recording, Flood and Wilder wrapped electronic sounds and textures around the real-time traditional instruments used in Madrid.
On the thunderous ‘I Feel You’ they applied a lot of technology to a performance-based track, in an attempt to retain the dynamics of a human performance without becoming an average rock band. Depeche Mode were still using their Akai and Emulator samplers, along with lots of rack-mounted and modular synths: a MiniMoog, Oberheims, the Roland 700 system, ARP 2600s. On Songs of Faith and Devotion there are fewer modern synthesizers than ever before - no DX7s, PPGs, or things like that — because they preferred the roundness and grittiness of the analogues. Plus, the old synths have their own organic quality which bled into the raw, natural sounds of the songs.
‘Actually if you listen to that album it’s not a rock record at all,’ argues Wilder, ‘it’s got lots of electronic elements on it. I think a lot of the perception comes from the image of Dave with long hair and tattoos.’ It seems that Songs of Faith and Devotion has been dubbed ‘rock’ as a broad term meaning ‘not electronic’, as the influences are quite wide-rang- ing, including gospel, blues, progressive rock, hip-hop and soul.
There’s even a psychedelic, trippy feel to ‘Mercy In You’ and ‘Rush’, created by Wilder’s experiments with reversing sounds which was all part of a determination to move on from the rigid pulse of Violator.
The album was eventually mixed at Olympic Studios in London by Wilder, Flood and Mark ‘Spike’ Stent, the latter knocking them out at a rapid rate which alarmed Wilder.
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813 Posté le 24/07/2023 à 12:50:59
Late 81/early 82 :
Alan had been wondering why no one had yet given him the precise details of the upcoming studio sessions, but convincing himself that the others simply assumed he knew, he waited until virtually the last minute before asking what time he should turn up at Blackwing.
Martin shuffled his feet awkwardly. "Actually, you don't really have to."
"What's that supposed to mean?"
"We won't be needing you. We don't want you to record with us.*
Fletch chimed in. "Or to tell anyone you've joined the group properly.
They tried to explain: they still weren't yet ready to fully open their ranks to the newcomer. Although Alan was welcome to drop by the studio to watch, his presence as a musician was not required.
Alan was furious. "I thought we'd got over that! You've only just asked me to join the band—are you kicking me out again already?"
"It's not that...." Fletch, Dave, and Martin looked uncomfortable, but they were determined all the same. Patiently, they explained that despite "See You." despite their live successes. Depeche Mode still had something to prove-to themselves, and to "all the people out there who still reckon Vince was the brains behind the group."
Introducing Allan into the studio would simply allow their detractors even more ammunition, "like we couldn't cut it on our own. so we had to bring someone else in, a proper musician" —the only one in the group. They were determined that no one would ever have the opportunity to accuse them of that.
Alan was scarcely able to conceal his rage, but he accepted the band's will, even went along with them when they asked that he keep his full-time recruitment in the group a close secret. But he swore that it would be different next time.
A Biography .
Alan had been wondering why no one had yet given him the precise details of the upcoming studio sessions, but convincing himself that the others simply assumed he knew, he waited until virtually the last minute before asking what time he should turn up at Blackwing.
Martin shuffled his feet awkwardly. "Actually, you don't really have to."
"What's that supposed to mean?"
"We won't be needing you. We don't want you to record with us.*
Fletch chimed in. "Or to tell anyone you've joined the group properly.
They tried to explain: they still weren't yet ready to fully open their ranks to the newcomer. Although Alan was welcome to drop by the studio to watch, his presence as a musician was not required.
Alan was furious. "I thought we'd got over that! You've only just asked me to join the band—are you kicking me out again already?"
"It's not that...." Fletch, Dave, and Martin looked uncomfortable, but they were determined all the same. Patiently, they explained that despite "See You." despite their live successes. Depeche Mode still had something to prove-to themselves, and to "all the people out there who still reckon Vince was the brains behind the group."
Introducing Allan into the studio would simply allow their detractors even more ammunition, "like we couldn't cut it on our own. so we had to bring someone else in, a proper musician" —the only one in the group. They were determined that no one would ever have the opportunity to accuse them of that.
Alan was scarcely able to conceal his rage, but he accepted the band's will, even went along with them when they asked that he keep his full-time recruitment in the group a close secret. But he swore that it would be different next time.
A Biography .
kosmix
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814 Posté le 24/07/2023 à 17:40:43
Drôle d'ambiance, à croire qu'ils avaient vraiment peur qu'Alan leur vole la vedette.
Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?
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815 Posté le 25/07/2023 à 14:03:34
“Martin’s sometimes not entirely happy with what’s happened to his demos .. . in the studio,’’ Dave confessed, with just a twinge of guilt, and while he and Alan agreed that Martin was “‘the kind of bloke that doesn’t say much . . . until after it’s released,” the songwriter’s frustrations were evident neverthe- less.
SOME GREAT REWARDS
SOME GREAT REWARDS
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816 Posté le 25/07/2023 à 15:20:09
Il y avait vraiment un problème de communication dans ce groupe.
Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?
vilak
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817 Posté le 25/07/2023 à 18:48:24
The incident was trivial, but it spoke volumes
This particular evening. Martin and Fletch were goofing around in the studio, "trying out self-defense on each other," as Martin guiltily imparted. The game was not particularly rough, but of course it involved much flailing of limbs and unconcerned leaping about. with little apparent regard for the thousands of dollars' worth of equipment that stood around the room.
Daniel, reentering the room from an errand somewhere, took in the scene in a moment and exploded. But while Martin contritely left the scene, Fletch stood his ground, barking his own anger. Swiftly Alan and Dave moved to defuse the situation, but afterward, neither could forget what they had seen: Fletch, his face red with rage, one fist drawn back to strike Miller: Daniel, white-faced and trembling, ready to reply in kind.
The incident was trivial, but it spoke volumes, not only of the tense rivalry that was slowly puilding between Daniel and Fletch-the unwilling manager ans his unwitting rival— but also the pressures that surrounded Depeche Mode as a whole.
Some great rewards
This particular evening. Martin and Fletch were goofing around in the studio, "trying out self-defense on each other," as Martin guiltily imparted. The game was not particularly rough, but of course it involved much flailing of limbs and unconcerned leaping about. with little apparent regard for the thousands of dollars' worth of equipment that stood around the room.
Daniel, reentering the room from an errand somewhere, took in the scene in a moment and exploded. But while Martin contritely left the scene, Fletch stood his ground, barking his own anger. Swiftly Alan and Dave moved to defuse the situation, but afterward, neither could forget what they had seen: Fletch, his face red with rage, one fist drawn back to strike Miller: Daniel, white-faced and trembling, ready to reply in kind.
The incident was trivial, but it spoke volumes, not only of the tense rivalry that was slowly puilding between Daniel and Fletch-the unwilling manager ans his unwitting rival— but also the pressures that surrounded Depeche Mode as a whole.
Some great rewards
vilak
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818 Posté le 26/07/2023 à 11:20:26
Alan Wilder:
‘When you’re travelling abroad, you’re really let off your leash. You know what it’s like when you’re in someone else’s town, you’ve got an added bravado. No inhibition at all. Compound that with the effect of being in a big gang and having your arse wiped all the time. I think Ozzy Osbourne said that this is the one job which you’re expected to do off your face and it is very easy to live the life. By the time you come off stage it’s 11 o’clock at night and you’re absolutely awake, as awake as you’ll ever be in your life. You’ve then got at least a couple of hours where you’re changing and chatting and having a beer or two. So it’s one o’clock in the morning and you want to go out partying. Before you know it, you’ve been out drinking all night, it’s seven o’clock in the morning and you still feel you’ve only just started but you know you’ve got to go to bed. Over the course of a tour that tolerance level builds up and before you know it you stay up all night drinking and you don’t even feel drunk. So that lifestyle became very normal for the band on tour, for several years really, and it didn’t feel as excessive as it must have looked.’
The Biography .
‘When you’re travelling abroad, you’re really let off your leash. You know what it’s like when you’re in someone else’s town, you’ve got an added bravado. No inhibition at all. Compound that with the effect of being in a big gang and having your arse wiped all the time. I think Ozzy Osbourne said that this is the one job which you’re expected to do off your face and it is very easy to live the life. By the time you come off stage it’s 11 o’clock at night and you’re absolutely awake, as awake as you’ll ever be in your life. You’ve then got at least a couple of hours where you’re changing and chatting and having a beer or two. So it’s one o’clock in the morning and you want to go out partying. Before you know it, you’ve been out drinking all night, it’s seven o’clock in the morning and you still feel you’ve only just started but you know you’ve got to go to bed. Over the course of a tour that tolerance level builds up and before you know it you stay up all night drinking and you don’t even feel drunk. So that lifestyle became very normal for the band on tour, for several years really, and it didn’t feel as excessive as it must have looked.’
The Biography .
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819 Posté le 26/07/2023 à 19:45:09
As the Devotional tour lurched into its final phase, Gahan often required cortisone shots for his voice and his performances continued to blow hot and cold. Depeche Mode fan Kevin C. Murphy recalls Gahan’s troubling behaviour at the Great Woods Center, Mansfield, Boston on 23 June:
‘This was the worst of the three Depeche Mode shows I’ve been to, mainly because poor old Dave was staggering around on stage with a bottle for most of the time and generally looked like warmed-over ass. He screwed up the words to a few songs, which is embarrassing considering the crowd is singing along reverentially. Andy had gone back to England by this point and Alan Wilder looked irritated and ready to go. Martin seemed like the only one still stepping up to the plate. His solo set was probably the high spot of the show.’
Malins, Steve. Depeche Mode
‘This was the worst of the three Depeche Mode shows I’ve been to, mainly because poor old Dave was staggering around on stage with a bottle for most of the time and generally looked like warmed-over ass. He screwed up the words to a few songs, which is embarrassing considering the crowd is singing along reverentially. Andy had gone back to England by this point and Alan Wilder looked irritated and ready to go. Martin seemed like the only one still stepping up to the plate. His solo set was probably the high spot of the show.’
Malins, Steve. Depeche Mode
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820 Posté le 26/07/2023 à 21:13:54
Malgré son succès public, la tournée de la lose, finalement.
Putain Walter mais qu'est-ce que le Vietnam vient foutre là-dedans ?
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