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Samples ENGL SE 6L6 + Torpedo VB-101

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Sujet de la discussion Samples ENGL SE 6L6 + Torpedo VB-101
Désolé d'avance pour l'anglais mais je vais poster ce truc sur d'autres sites non-francophones et j'ai la flemme de traduire donc...

Schecter Hellraiser C1-FR (bridge : EMG 81)
-> ENGL SE 6L6 (chan. 3, hi gain mode, modern mode, noise gate on)
-> Two Notes Torpedo VB-101 :
-cab : Marshall 4x12 V30 Slash Signature
-mic : Neumann U87 (Condenser mic)
-miking : on-axis, closest miking possible (no distance between the grille & the mic, kinda touching it)
-post fx : low cut @ 80hz or so, exciter (slight boost) around 3Khz
-> M Audio Fast Track Pro
-> Cubase (only panning, no EQ, no effects except for the lead track that has a delay) :

http://www.esnips.com/doc/93c11024-ac56-497b-9553-55e17deacbbb/djabth

Just 2 guitars tracks, hard-panned each, same guitar but slight EQ changes on the SE between the 2.

Just plain guitars for now... i'll try those in a mix later...

By the way my playing totally sucked ass big time, don't mind the sloppiness... I hope some of you guys will recognize the songs i jammed with.

EDIT :

sujet updaté avec des nouveaux samples ici :

http://www.two-notes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=80&start=0

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

[ Dernière édition du message le 09/12/2009 à 15:41:44 ]

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Citation : The link you clicked on is not complete.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAdzpwnzXmg
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J'ai corrigé le lien ça doit marcher a priori.

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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De nouveaux samples ENGL SE 6L6 + Torpedo VB-101 ici :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=user&value=djabthrash

(il s'agit des samples postés le 2009-12-09)

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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New samples recorded yesterday (dual-tracked guitars, hard-panned on each side, in a mix context, still shitty old strings though), see the 2009-12-11 samples below (details included) :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?search=djabthrash

I think i might have overdone the "let's cut the low-end/low mids and focus on the good mids" thingie, hence my clips lacking some low-end/lo mids, so i brought some back with a wide 400Hz boost on post EQ.

Also i can't seem to make up my mind between the Condenser Mic and the SM57. I like the character/overall tone of the first one, but the second one seems clearer and more mix-friendly. So i tried to combine them (one on each side) to see if i can get the best of both worlds without having a tonal inbalance (i.e guitar tones too different from one side to another) as a downside.

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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New clips (dual-tracked guitars, hard-panned on each side, in a mix context and solo-ed, brand new strings this time, Torpedo built-in EQ changes to cut less lows/low mids/body and increase the mids/highs attack/agressivity/sharpness), see the 2009-12-17 samples below (details included) :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?s ... djabthrash

This time i cut less Lows/Low mids in the Torpedo built in EQ than last time, i also boosted some mids/hi mids/highs & exciter (@3Hz for attack) a bit more. Finally i reduced the guitars volume a bit to fit the mix (since i boosted frequencies that make them cut through better beforehand) and let the bass & drums be heard.

I still can't seem to make up my mind between the Condenser Mic and the SM57.

My ideal tone would be clear/defined/detailed, yet "agressive/face-ripping/razor sharp", not too modern-sounding, well basically something along the lines of Pantera (face-ripping/razor sharp), Pennywise (punk-rock-ish), & Alice in chains (rock/crunch/chunk).

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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New clips (dual-tracked guitars, hard-panned on each side, in a mix context and solo-ed, brand new strings this time, Torpedo built-in EQ & Exciter changes to cut even less lows/low mids/body and increase the mids/highs attack/agressivity/sharpness), see the 2009-12-20 samples below (details included) :

http://www.netmusicians.org/?section=user&value=djabthrash

Compared to my previous clips (2009-12-17) i raised the bass knob a wee bit (+ 0,5) on my amp EQ and raised each of the Torpedo built-in EQ knobs a tad (+1) and the exciter value (+2%) also.

I also gave the MD421 mic a try, but i kept the same settings as with my SM57 patch. It sounds decent but i guess i need to adjust the settings to the MD421 to get a better tone.

Also in addition to the usual punk-rock-ish snippet, i posted clips of some other songs that sound more metal/HxC.

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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hello

petite question, quel est l'intérêt de mettre le torpedo sur cette tête

attention je dis pas que c'est con, mais je voudrais savoir ce que cela ajoute à la tête

bien les samples
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Bah ça ajoute un choix de baffles/micros/placements de micros/post FX.

La tête seule ne sert à rien

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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Salut metalwerk,

le VB-101 te permet d'enregistrer ton ampli ou d'envoyer le son vers une sono, avec une qualité optimale. Ca remplace une enceinte dans le cadre d'une prise de son.

Affiliation : Dirigeant Fondateur d'Orosys - Two notes Audio Engineering

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kay, cette fois j'ai compris merci
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I just recorded a MERAUDER cover using my ENGL SE 6L6 + Torpedo VB-101.

Clips (one with the full mix, one with guitars only) and detailed signal chain info can be found here :

http://www.netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=5770

http://www.netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=5771

Compared to my previous clips from 2009-12-22 (the ones using the ENGL412V30 cab + Blue Dragonfly Condenser mic), the differences are the following :

* the master volume on my amp is slightly higher
* i dropped the Exciter value significantly on the torpedo, since it was adding too much junk to the tone
* no post-EQ on guitars (not even HP-LP) in Cubase this time

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

[ Dernière édition du message le 01/02/2010 à 11:24:03 ]

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Salut Gab,

c'est joli dans le mix, et c'est très bien d'avoir aussi posté le son des guitares seules, histoire de montrer que le son de guitare dans le metal c'est loin d'être tout ce qui fait le "gros son"...

Niveau son je pense que tu tiens un truc bien, selon moi si tu veux connaître mon modeste avis, la prochaine étape c'est d'acquérir une main droite en béton dans un gant d'acier pour avoir une régularité irréprochable et là, ça va déboîter...

Affiliation : Dirigeant Fondateur d'Orosys - Two notes Audio Engineering

[ Dernière édition du message le 01/02/2010 à 11:35:47 ]

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Merci Guillaume !

C'était juste un test comme ça, c'est fait en une prise, et je sais qu'il y a du gros pain dans la partie du milieu avec les aller-retours en PM. Et puis dans le mix il y a les guitares du mix original en fond (j'ai pas de moyen de les supprimer) donc ça aide pas en terme de clarté.

Je vais bientôt poster de nouveaux samples de mes morceaux (un peu plus variés et "mélodiques" que cette reprise de Merauder ), reprises, remiking sur une dizaine de configs Torpedo cab/mic qui me plaisent, comparaison de différents paramètres de ma tête Engl, etc, etc.

En tout cas je suis hyper content du Torpedo.

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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Citation :
Je vais bientôt poster de nouveaux samples de mes morceaux

Des promesses, toujours des promesses...

Affiliation : Dirigeant Fondateur d'Orosys - Two notes Audio Engineering

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Citation de : djabthrash
je sais qu'il y a du gros pain dans la partie du milieu avec les aller-retours en PM.

Et aller, ca va être de ma faute en plus
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Citation de : nonconforme
Citation :
Je vais bientôt poster de nouveaux samples de mes morceaux

Des promesses, toujours des promesses...

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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héhé

le pire c'est qu'il y en avait dans les trucs que j'ai postés précédemment (fin décembre)

mais là j'arrête de faire que de la prod/des tests de son, et je me remets à bosser mes morceaux donc je VAIS / DOIS poster des trucs persos bientôt

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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Citation de : Pm.
Citation de : djabthrash
je sais qu'il y a du gros pain dans la partie du milieu avec les aller-retours en PM.

Et aller, ca va être de ma faute en plus

héhé

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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Same stuff as the clip i posted on 2009-12-22, except that this time i did the following :

*lowered the guitars
*lowered the overheads
*raised the bass

I think it sounds more balanced this way and my mix sounds better, you tell me (see the 2010-02-15 clips) :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=user&value=djabthrash

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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Quick guitar riff cover of SEVERE TORTURE's Serenity Torn Asunder :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=5998

Keep in mind the clip is sloppily played, and also slower/tuned lower then the original song.

See the link above for more details on the signal chain.

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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I just recorded a RAG MEN cover using my ENGL SE 6L6 + Torpedo VB-101.

Clips (one with the full mix, one with guitars only) and detailed signal chain info can be found here :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=5999

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6001

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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Recorded some test guitars real quick with the last 36 Crazyfists'Bloodwork backing track i posted yesterday (direct link and info : http://www.netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=6251).

For the "crunchy/twangy" guitar sound on the intro and verse i just rolled back my EMG81 volume pot halfway.
For the clean sound in the middle i rolled back the EMG81 tone pot halfway (for a softer/rounder/smoother sound) and used the Clean Channel (channel 1) on my amp, along with some reverb.

Don't mind the playing, it is totally sloppy, i just wanted to do a tone test :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6262

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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Made some changes to the mix i posted yesterday (direct link : http://www.netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=6262) :

* raised the overall volume (it was way too quiet)
* raised the bass volume a tad, and boosted it a tad more at 105Hz
* dropped the rythm guitars a bit
* compressed the clean guitar in the middle, added some flanger to it, and dropped its volume also

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6269

Also i remiked the rythm guitars through other cab/mic/miking setups :

- Mesa Boogie Rectifier Standard 4x12 (closed back) with V30's / Royer 121 (ribbon) : http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6271
- ENGL Pro 4x12 with Celestion V30 speakers / BeyerDynamic M160N (ribbon) : http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6273
- VHT deliverance 2x12 with Eminence P50E speakers / Royer 121 (ribbon) : http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6274

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A

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Made some changes to the mix i posted on 2010-03-23 (direct link : http://www.netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=6302) :

* brought the kick up a tad
* lowered the snare volume
* balanced the mix levels out

I think it sounds better (drums and overall mix are more balanced volume-wise) but still needs some improvement (further drums (incl. toms) EQ-ing, and also bass EQ-ing (maybe a tad less pick noise treble/presence should be wise), you tell me :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6600 (with ENGL Pro 4x12 with Celestion V30 speakers / BeyerDynamic M160N (ribbon))

Also remiked through my go-to cab/mic/miking/post-EQ setups :

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6601 (with ENGL Pro 4x12 with Celestion V30 speakers / Shure SM57 (dynamic))

Sounds more dynamic/percussive/punchy/edgy and mix-ready/balanced than the BeyerDynamic M160N IMO, but i am not a huge fan of the kinda fizzy character and tone, especially for ringing open chords.

http://www.netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6602 (with ENGL Pro 4x12 with Celestion V30 speakers / Blue Dragonfly (condenser))

This is my fav mic so far, not as good for guitar tones mix-readiness as the SM57, but still good and i like the character and tone better (sounds more like my tone, and i love the growl).

Ch. : Cascade Fathead II ou Aphex 210, MXR Analog Chorus, BeyerDynamic M88, Shure Beta91A