Sujet Les gri-gris en Hi-Fi
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 21/03/2006 à 21:28:14Les gri-gris en Hi-Fi
Il s'agit ici de tenter de faire le tri entre les trucs qui peuvent avoir leur importance, et ceux qui sont de l'arnaque / de l'auto-suggestion / de la mode...
Et tout cela suite à quelques discussions entamées dans le pub d'AF.
Et tout cela suite à quelques discussions entamées dans le pub d'AF.
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12571 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 16:45:53
le rodage des HP ![:bravo: :bravo:](https://static.audiofanzine.com/images/audiofanzine/interface/smileys/icon_bravo.gif)
In parts of the audio industry, there is a belief that all components
from wires to electronics to loudspeakers need to
“break in.” Out of the box, it is assumed that they will not
be performing at their best. Proponents vehemently deny
that this process has anything to do with adaptation, writing
extensively about changes in performance that they claim
are easily audible in several aspects of device performance.
Yet, the author is not aware of any controlled test in which
any consequential audible differences were found, even in
loudspeakers, where there would seem to be some opportunities
for material changes. A few years ago, to satisfy a
determined marketing person, the research group performed
a test using samples of a loudspeaker that was
claimed to benefit from “breaking in.” Measurements
before and after the recommended break-in showed no
differences in frequency response, except a very tiny
change around 30–40 Hz in the one area where break-in
effects could be expected: woofer compliance. Careful listening
tests revealed no audible differences. None of this
was surprising to the engineering staff. It is not clear whether
the marketing person was satisfied by the finding.
To all of us, this has to be very reassuring because it means that the
performance of loudspeakers is stable, except for the known
small change in woofer compliance caused by exercising
the suspension and the deterioration—breaking down—of
foam surrounds and some diaphragm materials with time,
moisture, and atmospheric pollutants. It is fascinating to
note that “breaking-in” seems always to result in an
improvement in performance. Why? Do all mechanical and
electrical devices and materials acquire a musical aptitude
that is missing in their virgin state? Why is it never reversed,
getting worse with use? The reality is that engineers seek
out materials, components, and construction methods that
do not change with time. Suppose that the sound did
improve over time as something broke in. What then? Would
it eventually decline, just as wine goes “over the hill”? One
can imagine an advertisement for a vintage loudspeaker:
“An audiophile dream. Model XX, manufactured 2004,
broken in with Mozart, Schubert, and acoustic jazz. Has
never played anything more aggressive than the Beatles.
Originally $1700/pair. Now at their performance peak—a
steal at $3200!”
Floyd Tools : Sound Reproduction - Loudspeakers And Rooms
Vous gênez pas c'est en accés libre.
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In parts of the audio industry, there is a belief that all components
from wires to electronics to loudspeakers need to
“break in.” Out of the box, it is assumed that they will not
be performing at their best. Proponents vehemently deny
that this process has anything to do with adaptation, writing
extensively about changes in performance that they claim
are easily audible in several aspects of device performance.
Yet, the author is not aware of any controlled test in which
any consequential audible differences were found, even in
loudspeakers, where there would seem to be some opportunities
for material changes. A few years ago, to satisfy a
determined marketing person, the research group performed
a test using samples of a loudspeaker that was
claimed to benefit from “breaking in.” Measurements
before and after the recommended break-in showed no
differences in frequency response, except a very tiny
change around 30–40 Hz in the one area where break-in
effects could be expected: woofer compliance. Careful listening
tests revealed no audible differences. None of this
was surprising to the engineering staff. It is not clear whether
the marketing person was satisfied by the finding.
To all of us, this has to be very reassuring because it means that the
performance of loudspeakers is stable, except for the known
small change in woofer compliance caused by exercising
the suspension and the deterioration—breaking down—of
foam surrounds and some diaphragm materials with time,
moisture, and atmospheric pollutants. It is fascinating to
note that “breaking-in” seems always to result in an
improvement in performance. Why? Do all mechanical and
electrical devices and materials acquire a musical aptitude
that is missing in their virgin state? Why is it never reversed,
getting worse with use? The reality is that engineers seek
out materials, components, and construction methods that
do not change with time. Suppose that the sound did
improve over time as something broke in. What then? Would
it eventually decline, just as wine goes “over the hill”? One
can imagine an advertisement for a vintage loudspeaker:
“An audiophile dream. Model XX, manufactured 2004,
broken in with Mozart, Schubert, and acoustic jazz. Has
never played anything more aggressive than the Beatles.
Originally $1700/pair. Now at their performance peak—a
steal at $3200!”
Floyd Tools : Sound Reproduction - Loudspeakers And Rooms
Vous gênez pas c'est en accés libre.
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12572 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 17:00:08
J'avoue que j'ai eu la flemme de faire un test avec les hp montés
En revanche j'ai mesuré l'impedance des hp sortis du carton
Et je re ferai une mesure après rodage (qui et en cours)
En revanche j'ai mesuré l'impedance des hp sortis du carton
Et je re ferai une mesure après rodage (qui et en cours)
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12573 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 17:25:43
du même auteur,
La NS10
Also shown in Figure 18.22 is the directivity index, and it can be seen, especially
in the overlaid curves in (b), that they are almost identical. Interesting,
two very similar loudspeaker systems engineered for different purposes: one of
them to deliver accurate sound at short listening distances and the other at long
listening distances. So which one ends up being the informal international
standard near-field monitor? The one designed to be listened to at the far end
of the room, the NS-10M! How could this happen? How could audio professionals
be so wrong?
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La NS10
Also shown in Figure 18.22 is the directivity index, and it can be seen, especially
in the overlaid curves in (b), that they are almost identical. Interesting,
two very similar loudspeaker systems engineered for different purposes: one of
them to deliver accurate sound at short listening distances and the other at long
listening distances. So which one ends up being the informal international
standard near-field monitor? The one designed to be listened to at the far end
of the room, the NS-10M! How could this happen? How could audio professionals
be so wrong?
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12574 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 18:25:23
Et si on parlait des câbles pour changer
?
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12575 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 18:51:38
Le rodage des enceintes... Des hp plutôt, pièces mécaniques, électromécaniques plutôt, bon rodons la part mécanique, après tout... Mais alors, pour parler encore de cet obscur objet du désir audiophile, il faut aussi roder la cellule, non? Là aussi y a de la mécanique suspendue?
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12576 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 19:12:17
Citation de Combe :
Rien d'idiophile dans le fait de nettoyer un vinyle
+1, le nettoyage d'un vinyle peut vraiment améliorer les choses.
Le mieux est encore d'en prendre soin mais parfois le nettoyage est nécessaire.
Railler l'idiophilie ne veut pas dire, non plus, s'opposer à tout...
I'M NOT ARGUING, I'M JUST EXPLAINING WHY I'M RIGHT.
Ground control to Major Tom...
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12577 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 19:30:15
Citation de Dr :
Citation :Dans le cas d'enregistrements, tu additionnes plusieurs fois la même acoustique de la pièce.
Pour moi tu l'additionnes une fois par source sonore. C'est juste les ondes indirectes de chaque instrument.
Je suis en retard dans la discussion, mais tu as naturellement raison. On appelle ça le principe de superposition. Non, les réverbs ne se multiplient pas, elles s'additionnent. Donc qu'on prenne un instrument après l'autre ou tous ensemble, ça ne change rien, la réverb est la même.
[edit] Et ta démonstration est la bonne, même si juste énoncer le principe physique de propagation des ondes en milieu non absorbant (l'air, en première approximation) aurait dû suffire dans ce thread sur les gris-gris...
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12578 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 20:34:20
Ce qui m'a surtout fait marrer dans le nettoyeur de vinyle, ce n'est pas sa simple existence, c'est qu'il est livré sans capot et donc qu'il va foutre de la flotte partout ... ![:-D :-D](https://static.audiofanzine.com/images/audiofanzine/interface/smileys/icon_mrgreen.gif)
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12579 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 20:39:22
Je crois que le bain n est rempli qu a moitié,et que ça ne tourne pas vite, en tout cas sur certains modéles.
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12580 Posté le 06/04/2017 à 22:45:05
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