Behringer UB-Xa
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tomheck
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
erewhon
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141 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 13:48:11
Citation :
C est quoi un proc-ton-logue?
Un logue professionnel qui t’appartient??? Maintenant va savoir ce qu'est un Logue???
Le prix des "Choses", certains vont trouver normal et que c'est une aubaine de ne mettre que 3500 € pour un Minimoog D réissue pour une voix de synthèse limitée et sans mémoire alors qu'ils vont trouver cher le Korg par rapport à ce qu'il offre, le rapport ce fait sans doute en rapport à l'affect et à la finalité et à laquelle on destine la chose convoitée...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
oh-no
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142 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 13:59:10
Citation :
le vieillissement des composants
C'est ça qui me fait peur avec l'analogique, je pense que ça vieilli rapidement et j'en ai pas de bons souvenirs.
Je suis plus serein avec un VA.
johnjohnson
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Membre depuis 16 ans
143 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 14:09:43
Ca fait partie des inconvénients des analogue, tout comme les bug d'OS font partie des inconvénients des numériques (mauvaise expérience avec le Blofeld par exemple pour moi). Les premières videos d'utilisateurs du Model D commencent à sortir et il sonne pas trop mal depuis une meilleur Calibration, j'entend toujours une petite différence sur la résonance, ça laisse quand même présager une copie d'OB low cost qui sonnerai pas trop mal...
alex.d.
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Je poste, donc je suis
Membre depuis 9 ans
144 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 15:03:58
Citation de geronimo33 :
Je comprend pas trop ton raisonnement. C' est qui les vautours ?
Tu préférerais que seul Gisbon puisse faire des les pauls ?
Que seul Apple puisse faire des smartphones ?
Que seul l inventeur du transistor puisse en fabriquer ?
Behringer c' est des copieurs ok, tu as le droit de préférer le rentier au copieur, c' est ton opinion.
Behringer peut parfaitement faire des synthés sans que ce soient des copies de Model D, de Juno, de SH-101, ou d'OB-Xa. Ils manquent totalement d'imagination. Pendant ce temps, Korg sort le Prologue 8 qui n'est une copie de rien du tout et qui est super. Behringer pourrait en faire autant : un vrai synthé Behringer, qui serait une copie de rien du tout, et qui définirait un "son Behringer". Mais en sont-ils capables ?
usw
1060
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145 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 15:14:10
C'est ce qu'ils ont fait avec le DM d'une certaine façon...
Push-Pull
20096
Vie après AF ?
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146 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 15:19:31
Plus ou moins, oui.
Je dirais que techniquement ils en sont bien capables, mais commercialement moins. Enfin, c'est surtout qu'ils sont enfermé dans une logique commerciale "zéro risque" et là il faut obéir au marché. Et les clients potentiels réclament du vieux, du déjà vu: l'Oberheim de leur jeunesse, ou le Memorymoog que papa ne pouvait pas s'offrir.
Il n'y a qu'à voir le succès des Roland Boutique...
Je dirais que techniquement ils en sont bien capables, mais commercialement moins. Enfin, c'est surtout qu'ils sont enfermé dans une logique commerciale "zéro risque" et là il faut obéir au marché. Et les clients potentiels réclament du vieux, du déjà vu: l'Oberheim de leur jeunesse, ou le Memorymoog que papa ne pouvait pas s'offrir.
Il n'y a qu'à voir le succès des Roland Boutique...
geronimo33
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147 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 15:55:21
Ils répondent à une demande que les autres n ont pas voulus satisfaire pour des raisons certainement commerciales et d' image de marque.
Quand ils sortent un clone de mini qui a l' air de sonner pour 300 boules, le truc qui me vient à l' esprit, c' est pourquoi Moog l' a pas fait avant alors qu ils auraient eu l' exclusivité en plus...
Je dis pas que c' est des anges mais les historiques et leurs actionnaires préoccupés par leur rente et leur image de marque valent ils mieux ? ( je met DSI a par pour la qualité et le made in US et korg pour la diversité proposée entre répliques et innovations )
Quand ils sortent un clone de mini qui a l' air de sonner pour 300 boules, le truc qui me vient à l' esprit, c' est pourquoi Moog l' a pas fait avant alors qu ils auraient eu l' exclusivité en plus...
Je dis pas que c' est des anges mais les historiques et leurs actionnaires préoccupés par leur rente et leur image de marque valent ils mieux ? ( je met DSI a par pour la qualité et le made in US et korg pour la diversité proposée entre répliques et innovations )
yomanfree
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148 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 16:14:00
C'etait quoi le sujet initial deja ?
"Le succès, c'est d'aller d’échec en échec sans perdre son enthousiasme"
ZeeByeZon
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Membre depuis 21 ans
149 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 16:27:09
Citation de bolton :
Citation :ah ben les enveloppes numériques c'est pas bien maintenant, voilà autre chose
Mais puisqu'on vous dit que tout ce qui est analogique est bien, et que tout ce qui est numérique est mal. Une sorte de côté obscur, quoi
Ba si vous entendez pas la différence, je ne vais pas vous le reprocher. Moi je ressent clairement la différence entre enveloppe analogique (particulièrement en composants discrets comme sur le SH-101 par exemple) et enveloppe numérique.
Ecoutez la différence entre un Jupiter-8 et un Jupiter-6, ok c'est pas la seule différence entre les deux, mais c'est important. De même, écoutez The River, et comparez avec les Prophet-6 et OB-6 (j'ai pas dit qu'ils ne sonnent pas bien, j'entends d'ici les protestations )...
C'est aussi le seul reproche que je ferais au son du minilogue. Les enveloppes sont pourries. Le reste est top.
J'aime les sons plutôt classiques, mais bien crémeux. Pour ça il faut des VCO et des enveloppes analogiques d'après tout les synthés que j'ai entendus...
Merci de ne pas dénigrer ou se montrer désobligeant. Je juge avec mes oreilles, j'ai pas de leçons à donner
On peut avoir exactement le même discours sur les VCO par rapport aux simulations numériques. Aujourd'hui on a des proc assez puissants etc...
falkenmaze
3301
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Membre depuis 11 ans
150 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 16:49:17
Vivement un test en aveugle.
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