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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
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41 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 13:40:29
Justement sur la 303 et la 606, il y a eu un petit rappel à l'ordre. Je suis curieux de savoir comment ça va se passer entre Roland et berhinger sur le VP car la filiation est plus que frappante
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42 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 14:49:57
Citation de Lennon :
Et que dire de toutes les marques qui ont cloné par exemple la TB 303, en gardant le même look, un nom proche, le même logotype... ?
Le probleme c'est que Behringer ne copie pas les tr,il copie tout de l'industrie musicale du hardware.
A ce point gratter toutes les bonnes idées des ingénieurs concurrents pour en refaire une copie (qui n'a jamais étée meilleure que l'original en plus) comme la demarche principale de sa société...BEURKKKK
Faire en plus le mariol dans les forums internationaux en se prenant pour le king des bienfaiteurs du pauvre musicien...chier sur les VA (et donc sur les concurrents qui se crèvent honorablement pour en faire des bonnes choses au passage ) juste pour appuyer sa demarche de faussaire..non mais le mec est trop fort!
J'ai rarement vu un truc aussi guignolesque dans la musique, voire meme jamais je crois!
Le pire c'est tout les gogos sui tombent dans le panneau en le vénérant comme un genie pendant que le obxa (le vrai) sent la sueur et la prise de risque dans sa conception et sa manufacture....ouais ca file la nausee (pour etre poli).
Ce mec est incroyable car il arrive a transformer sa démarche globale de gros pompeur sans la moindre créativité en pourfendeur de la cause des musiciens et chef de file des innovateurs de notre millieu passionnel.
Jusqu'a releguer les autres marques a l'etat pauvres petites enseignes depassées et ringardes, comme s'il avait inventé l'eau chaude et les arbres.
Cette societé aurait pourtant pu vendre du PQ sans doute si Dave Smith,Bob moog,Tom et les autres ne s'etaient pas crevés le popotin ne lui avaient pas créé matière a pomper.
Ses propres initiales sur son gros nouveau projet de pompage, c'est a mourir de rire!
Non moi je dis que le terme "chiottes" c'est meme sympa a la lmite!
Et puis reprocher a synthwalker le test du Deepmind ,alors qu'il est plutot positif dans le fond..c'est encore une fois ne pas supporter dans sa frustration que ce petit synthé (pas si mal en soi) ne sonne pas si gros qu'on le voudrair..
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43 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 15:19:59
La vulgarité ce n'est pas d'utiliser un mot vulgaire parmi cent, c'est de propager des idées vulgaires avec de bons mots... Ne sentez-vous pas une forme de populisme de la synthèse dans les propos de cousin UB ?
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44 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 15:21:48
Citation de synthwalker :
Ce seront les mêmes machines si elles ont le même son, ce qui reste à démontrer...
Ce ne seront de toute façon PAS les même machine, il n'y a pas que le son qui fait la qualité d'une machine, il y a aussi son ergonomie, son clavier, ses dimensions, ses potards...
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45 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 15:26:37
Citation :
Ne sentez-vous pas une forme de populisme de la synthèse dans les propos de cousin UB
Grave:
Montrer du doigt les copains pour les décrédibiliser dans leur demarche afin d'appuyer son propos en faisant pire...se faire le gourou du synthesiste en lui promettant la lune ,se permettre de convaincre en faisant semblant de se rabaisser au niveau des membres des forums internationnaux en diffusant la propagande pour sa came...
"On est tous frères Uli!"
Moi je dis qu''il devrait donner de l'argent en plus de ses machines!
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46 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 15:30:01
Citation de ipm :
S'inspirer d'un produit pour en faire un autre à la limite c'est assez courant. Mais copier à se point c'est tout de même tres limite voire de la contrefaçon.
Je pense que les circuits sont dans le domaine public et peuvent être copié par tout le monde. Je suis sûr que c'est le cas des autres modèles qui copient des ancêtres comme ceux de Cyclone (606/303), Acid Labs (606/808), Mam (303) etc.
En soit personnellement je trouve ça plutôt normal que des circuits soient dans le domaine public au bout d'un certain temps
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47 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 15:52:51
Tout ça c'est de la faute de Roland, s'ils avaient sorti de vraies répliques 100% analogique de leurs TB-303, TR-808, Juno, etc... comme le réclame un grand nombre d'utilisateurs depuis des années plutôt que des versions numériques (aussi performantes soient-elles) d'un format microscopique qui plus est, personne ne se serait engouffré dans la brèche et on ne parlerait même pas de Berhinger puisque le créneau serait inexistant (ou plus très rentable) pour eux.
Mais à force de prendre les gens pour des gogos avec leurs gadgets numériques qu'ils déclinent à l'infini, faut pas s'étonner que certaines pratiques commerciales un peu douteuses comme celles de Behringer finissent par dominer le marché.
Mais à force de prendre les gens pour des gogos avec leurs gadgets numériques qu'ils déclinent à l'infini, faut pas s'étonner que certaines pratiques commerciales un peu douteuses comme celles de Behringer finissent par dominer le marché.
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48 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 15:57:19
Citation de lachrymae :
Tout ça c'est de la faute de Roland, s'ils avaient sorti de vraies répliques 100% analogique de leurs TB-303, TR-808, Juno, etc... comme le réclame un grand nombre d'utilisateurs depuis des années plutôt que des versions numériques (aussi performantes soient-elles) d'un format microscopique qui plus est, personne ne se serait engouffré dans la brèche et on ne parlerait même pas de Berhinger puisque le créneau serait inexistant (ou plus très rentable) pour eux.
Bof. Behringer pille quand même les designs des tables de mixage et des pédales de guitares, bien que les originales existent en taille normale et bien analogiques comme il faut.
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49 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 16:20:19
Bravo à Uli !!
Il remplit juste un vide. Toute la jeune génération ne peut de toute façon pas se payer des vintages hors de prix en occasion. Et si Roland voulait refaire un vrai poly-analo (un JD-Xa simplifié et plus abordable ..) ils pourraient. J'espère à ce sujet que le SE-02 va ouvrir la voie ..
Mon exemple : j'ai toujours voulu le VP330, j'ai dons acheté le VP03 que j'aime beaucoup, sauf les strings trop acides à mon goût. Maintenant un nouveau choix s'offre : le VP-03 ou le VC340 ? En tant que consommateur, je préfère avoir ce choix-là !
Il remplit juste un vide. Toute la jeune génération ne peut de toute façon pas se payer des vintages hors de prix en occasion. Et si Roland voulait refaire un vrai poly-analo (un JD-Xa simplifié et plus abordable ..) ils pourraient. J'espère à ce sujet que le SE-02 va ouvrir la voie ..
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50 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 16:22:30
Personnellement si le son est là, je serais client.
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