Behringer UB-Xa
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tomheck
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
falkenmaze
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131 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 11:59:18
Citation :
les processeurs d'aujourd'hui vont assez vite pour générer des enveloppes rapides sans aliasing
enfin un peu de bon sens dans ce débat de croyants. Et puis il faut aussi voir tous les avantages que ça... par exemple sur l'analog four ça permet d'avoir plusieurs types d'enveloppes, avec des courbes très différentes.
usw
1060
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Membre depuis 9 ans
132 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 12:18:02
C'est pas seulement une question de rapidité, une attaque instantanée ne présente aucun intérêt et la finesse du réglage sur les premières dizaines de millisecondes est essentielle. Les courbes paramétrables sont utiles, mais elles ne font pas tout (personnellement je n'ai jamais retrouvé l'équivalent ce qu'on peut obtenir en analogique par l'effet lissant d'un vactrol ou avec les enveloppes à deux segments inspirées du DUSG de Serge...).
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geronimo33
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133 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 12:34:56
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Non ce qui est peu ecoeurant chez cette marque, c’est qu’on a l’impression que ses ingenieurs n’ont jamais été embauché pour creer quelque chose, ou pour se dire qu’ils vont creer une vraie identité chez eux.
C’est rare une marque aussi vautour dans l’esprit.
Ils ne font que pomper dans tout les domaines...
Je comprend pas trop ton raisonnement. C' est qui les vautours ?
Tu préférerais que seul Gisbon puisse faire des les pauls ?
Que seul Apple puisse faire des smartphones ?
Que seul l inventeur du transistor puisse en fabriquer ?
Behringer c' est des copieurs ok, tu as le droit de préférer le rentier au copieur, c' est ton opinion.
Seulement c' est peut-être un peu lourd que le sujet revienne de façon récurente sur tout les produits de cette marque en HS et sans qu il y est aucune modération en plus. Pourquoi pas un sujet dédié ?
Mais bon, puisque ça veut parler éthique allons y.
Perso je met dans le même panier le copieur et celui qui vit d' une rente depuis plus de 30 ans.
Je trouve pas meilleure l éthique de grosse sociétés cotées comme Roland ou élitistes comme Moog qui vivent sur leurs aquis depuis des lustres et prennent bien soient de ne pas réaliser des reproductions a l' identique comme Korg par exemple.
Ils veulent pas tuer la légende et le côté élitiste en présentant des trucs toujours bridés ou hors de prix afin surtout, à mon avis, de pouvoir faire des tunes pendant des années juste en vendant leur nom accoler d' un R a une multitude de fabriquants de synthés et de plugs.
Libre à eux de ne pas le faire, et libre aux autres de le faire maintenant que les droits sont tombés.
Libre à toi de prendre partie pour les rentiers, pour moi c' est un peu plus compliqué que ça.
bolton
1654
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134 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 12:36:23
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ah ben les enveloppes numériques c'est pas bien maintenant, voilà autre chose
Mais puisqu'on vous dit que tout ce qui est analogique est bien, et que tout ce qui est numérique est mal. Une sorte de côté obscur, quoi
Vive les BPM !
falkenmaze
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135 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 13:12:56
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une attaque instantanée ne présente aucun intérêt
Bien sur que si, ne dites pas de bêtises. C'est même essentiel pour faire des clics percussifs.
Krapod
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Membre depuis 14 ans
136 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 13:12:59
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Hors sujet :Citation :Seulement c' est peut-être un peu lourd que le sujet revienne de façon récurente sur tout les produits de cette marque en HS et sans qu il y est aucune modération en plus. Pourquoi pas un sujet dédié ?
Je pense que ce ne sont pas les sujets qui manquent.
Mais d'un autre côté, cet UB-Xa a juste été annoncé, on n'en connait pas grand chose, et il n'est même certain qu'il voit le jour. Donc, on fait quoi? On verrouille en attendant plus d'infos? On meuble?
erewhon
18224
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137 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 13:20:12
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une attaque instantanée ne présente aucun intérêt
C'est sur que coté cœur une attaque instantanée niveau intéret il y aurait à redire...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
Maxxou32
5425
Je poste, donc je suis
Membre depuis 11 ans
138 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 13:20:48
Non, les deux sont supers, ce qui compte c'est le son et le plaisir qu'on a avec les deux !
Moi qui adore le son des oberheim et qui rêve toujours à un Matrix 12, pour moi le synthé analogique le plus génial, je suis très content de l'émulation Arturia. En attendant, avoir un Model D ou UB-Xa pour le prix d'un Matrix6 d'occaz, c'est juste formidable !
Moi qui adore le son des oberheim et qui rêve toujours à un Matrix 12, pour moi le synthé analogique le plus génial, je suis très content de l'émulation Arturia. En attendant, avoir un Model D ou UB-Xa pour le prix d'un Matrix6 d'occaz, c'est juste formidable !
Old School et Electronica
Lennon Mercury
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139 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 13:34:21
Citation de BLLFO :
A tout les détracteurs de Behringer, avec le blabla du genre, "Uly se fout de votre gueule avec son ambition de sauver les pauvres musicien patati patata", vous avez pensez quoi du tag sur le mur en brique dans la vidéo korg officiel du proctonlogue 8 : "analogue for all "....
a 1500 / 2000 ouai c'est vraiement for all ...
Ben ouais, un analo poly 8 voix a 1500€, c est donné. Regarde le prix des P6 et OB6. Korg a une gamme très variee et pour toutes les bourses au niveau analogique, du monotron au prologue. Quand on voit déjà le prix du Minilogue, 500€ pour un analo 4 voix.
PS : C est quoi un proctonlogue?
Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.
[ Dernière édition du message le 21/01/2018 à 13:34:56 ]
johnjohnson
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140 Posté le 21/01/2018 à 13:41:40
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Et on a suffisamment de résolution aujourd'hui pour simuler numériquement les imperfections de l'analogique.
Je ne suis pas tout à fait d'accord avec ça, il y a toujours une différence, le problème du numérique c'est que c'est un algorithme qui va gérer cette émulation d'instabilité, à chaque fois que tu démarre le synthé l'algorithme est pareil. L'analogique c'est n'est pas le cas, ça réagit au élément extérieur comme la température ambiante/humidité, la tension du réseau électrique, le vieillissement des composants....après je dis pas que un est mieux que l'autre car ils ont selon moi chacun des avantage et des inconvénients, le numérique a bien progressé et remplacera l'nanlogue un jour ou l'autre, quand l'intelligence artificielle sera au point ça émulera le vieillissement des composant ect
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