Behringer UB-Xa
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tomheck
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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
Push-Pull
20086
Vie après AF ?
Membre depuis 20 ans
71 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 18:50:43
C'est vrai qu'il en faut des cuillères dorées pour avoir accès à un S-1000 !
Nan mais peut-être qu'ils ont eu du bol d'être là au bon moment, d'avoir aussi les bonnes relations (ils étaient déjà dans le milieu) mais ça ne fait rien: je trouve que sur AF ça se plaint toujours trop du prix, de l'accessibilité, etc.
Par contre il est beaucoup plus rare qu'on se remette en question côté job, heures passées sur les machines, etc.
Nan mais peut-être qu'ils ont eu du bol d'être là au bon moment, d'avoir aussi les bonnes relations (ils étaient déjà dans le milieu) mais ça ne fait rien: je trouve que sur AF ça se plaint toujours trop du prix, de l'accessibilité, etc.
Par contre il est beaucoup plus rare qu'on se remette en question côté job, heures passées sur les machines, etc.
alex.d.
5531
Je poste, donc je suis
Membre depuis 9 ans
72 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 18:52:43
Citation de Taco :
Deadmau5 n'avait pas tout ça il y a 10 ans. Cherches des photos tu verras. De memoire son plus gros synthé etait un slim phatty.
Un Slim Phatty, c'est quand même plus proche d'un model D que d'un Monotron.
Lennon Mercury
3586
Squatteur·euse d’AF
Membre depuis 12 ans
73 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 18:54:50
Citation de BLLFO :
tu me fait marer push pull, si tu savais le background des mecs comme air et daft punk... Versailles, petite cuillère dorée etc.
je ne veux pas me la jouer lutte des classes; mais ces mecs là on tout de suite eu accès à des machines...
Comme Jean Michel Jarre avant eux d ailleurs.
Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.
erewhon
18224
Drogué·e à l’AFéine
Membre depuis 19 ans
74 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 18:58:18
Citation :
heures passées
Ho, hé, là, non, mais stop hein! Faut pas déconner, on est pas là pour se le faire dans la fatiguation, ça c'est pour les classiqueux et les ficelleux, la synthèse c'est juste du presse boutons, du dzim-dzim-boum-tchak, c'est bien connu, tous des feignasses, fini le mérite de l'effort et du travail, vive le play-stop push push...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
[ Dernière édition du message le 09/01/2018 à 18:58:46 ]
Taco Belly
352
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Membre depuis 13 ans
75 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 19:09:47
Ok pour les Daft: le pere d'un des 2 etait un producteur connu, ce qui n'enleve rien au genie de leur premier album (je suis pas trop fan de leurs album d'après)
Le freak , c'est chic !!!
http://www.mixcloud.com/TacoBelly/
https://soundcloud.com/taco-belly
erewhon
18224
Drogué·e à l’AFéine
Membre depuis 19 ans
76 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 19:15:09
C'est pas les membres de "Yello" qui étaient aussi "fils de", c'est pas ça qui empêche la créativité ou d'avoir du talent...
Le plus majestueux des chênes n'était autrefois rien d'autre qu'un pauvre gland...
Anonyme
1096
77 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 19:45:28
Bon c'est pas forcément l'endroit pour parler de ça mais si les Dafts sont aussi respectés c'est parce qu'is ont non seulement ouvert la porte à l'international mais en plus ils l'ont tenu pour les autres artistes français.
Quand on écoute leurs premières maquettes (quand c'était encore un groupe de rock) alors on se dit que la papa producteur ne leur a pas servi à grand chose au début...parce que le son et les compos...euh c'était moyen
Quand on écoute leurs premières maquettes (quand c'était encore un groupe de rock) alors on se dit que la papa producteur ne leur a pas servi à grand chose au début...parce que le son et les compos...euh c'était moyen
Jimbass
11603
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Membre depuis 18 ans
78 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 19:57:57
Citation de BLLFO :
le Uli, il aurait du demander un peu plus à ses ingénieur, copier les circuits pour avoir un son de qualité et apporter plus de modulation, plus de mémoire, bref avoir la classe de Baloran...
Bah justement, j'ai l'impression qu'ils en profitent pour ajouter quelques trucs inédits. Par exemple sur le Model D : USB, polychain, quelques entrées/sorties CV/gate, et d'autres détails qui ne sont pas sur l'original. J'espère qu'il y aura des ajouts de ce genre sur les autres produits à venir.
Et les 12 voies de polyphonie du DeepMind avaient quand même fait pas mal de bruit, à l'issue du loooooong teasing.
Citation de totounet :
L'idée c'est de valoriser et defendre les vrais createurs, pas les vautours pompeurs .
Je suppose d'aillleurs que vous qui adorez cette démarche d'Uli pour vos petites economies, vous ne verriez aucun inconvenient a ce qu''un mec ne passe son temps a vous guetter pour pomper toutes vos idees musicales comme un rapace, puis les rhabiller en faisantt un max de pognon avec
Et puis vous adoreriez qu'il aille se vanter dans un forum avec vos idées a vous en expliquant que pour le bien des petits musiciens il va vous les faire moins cher
Intéresse-toi un peu au marché de la guitare (où tout le monde resuce des designs des années 50) et notamment de la pédale d'effet "boutique" (dont 80% est composé de TubeScreamers et de BigMuffs mal peintes à la main, l'absence de créativité masquée par de la résine époxy sur le circuit).
Il n'est pas étonnant que le marché du synthé suive une tendance similaire, je trouve même étonnant que la nostalgie du vintage et la copie qui va avec n'arrivent que ces temps-ci.
Musikmesser 2013 - Bullshit Gourous - Tocxic Instruments - festivals Foud'Rock, Metal Sphère et la Tour met les Watts
bolton
1654
AFicionado·a
Membre depuis 9 ans
79 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 21:30:04
Citation :
Et je regrette que les historiques (au moins les mastodonte roland/yamaha/korg) n'aille pas un peu plus dans le reissue.
Yamaha a sorti ses quatre Reface, avec le succès que l'on sait (pourtant le CS est excellent).
Vive les BPM !
Lennon Mercury
3586
Squatteur·euse d’AF
Membre depuis 12 ans
80 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 21:55:11
Je pense que pour reissue, concernant Yamaha, on s attend plus a un CS 60 ou 80 tout analo que le Reface CS
Quand je crée, ce n'est pas moi qui vais vers la toile, c'est la toile qui vient vers moi.
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