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Sujet de la discussion Posté le 08/01/2018 à 16:02:22Behringer UB-Xa
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https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1196469-ub-xa-synthesizer.html
"Dear all,
As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.
Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.
Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.
However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.
Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.
Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.
Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.
What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.
When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.
Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.
Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.
Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.
So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.
The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.
And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.
May the fun begin
Uli"
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31 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 08:29:15
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Hors sujet :Citation de jeremy19450 :c'est pas la faute de SW.
Et devenir vulgaire, presque diffamatoire à la simple évocation du nom de Uli Behringer ("goût de chiottes" dans le cas présent), est-ce de sa faute ?
[ Dernière édition du message le 09/01/2018 à 08:31:49 ]
IPM
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Membre depuis 18 ans
32 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 08:31:42
S'inspirer d'un produit pour en faire un autre à la limite c'est assez courant. Mais copier à se point c'est tout de même tres limite voire de la contrefaçon.
Ce qui est sur c'est que si berhinger ne le faisait pas , il n'y aurait pas grand monde qui pourrait se lancer dans un tel projet.
Alors je comprends très bien les avis positifs et surtout aussi ceux qui trouvent ca degueulasse.
Perso, je trouve ça cool pour ceux qui arrivent dans la synthese sans avoir trop de tunes. Mais globalement ça me gêne énormément sur cette manière de faire. Pour pas mal de raison , je ne l'achèterai pas en neuf en tout cas
Ce qui est sur c'est que si berhinger ne le faisait pas , il n'y aurait pas grand monde qui pourrait se lancer dans un tel projet.
Alors je comprends très bien les avis positifs et surtout aussi ceux qui trouvent ca degueulasse.
Perso, je trouve ça cool pour ceux qui arrivent dans la synthese sans avoir trop de tunes. Mais globalement ça me gêne énormément sur cette manière de faire. Pour pas mal de raison , je ne l'achèterai pas en neuf en tout cas
synthwalker
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33 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 08:32:34
Alphacentauri, n'exagères-tu pas un poil en parlant de haine ? Si tu me connaissais...
Se mettre à genou les mains jointes pour encenser le discours d'Uli dans sa communication sur l'UB-Xa ; prier dès qu'on voit une photo ou qu'on lit des promesses, pas pour moi ! En homme libre, dès que je trouverai une attitude nauséabonde, une bonne parole révélée, je la pointerai, qu'elle vienne d'Uli ou d'ailleurs... il est un peu unique à multiplier ad nauseam ce genre d'effet, il sait bien que pour vendre, il vaut mieux être un bandit repenti qu'un anonyme, c'est ce qu'on apprend dans toutes les écoles de commerce...
Si je fais le test, il sera impartial, sinon je ne le ferai pas...
Se mettre à genou les mains jointes pour encenser le discours d'Uli dans sa communication sur l'UB-Xa ; prier dès qu'on voit une photo ou qu'on lit des promesses, pas pour moi ! En homme libre, dès que je trouverai une attitude nauséabonde, une bonne parole révélée, je la pointerai, qu'elle vienne d'Uli ou d'ailleurs... il est un peu unique à multiplier ad nauseam ce genre d'effet, il sait bien que pour vendre, il vaut mieux être un bandit repenti qu'un anonyme, c'est ce qu'on apprend dans toutes les écoles de commerce...
Si je fais le test, il sera impartial, sinon je ne le ferai pas...
Anonyme
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34 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 09:18:06
Vous pourrez raconter tout ce que vous voulez... en attendant ils nous proposent des machines qui ont 40 ans... les marques ont largement eu le temps de diffuser ces modèles... Aussi berhinger ne fait de tort à personne mais permet à une génération de toucher des instruments normalement inabordables.
Alors l'anti-berhingisme primaire....
Alors l'anti-berhingisme primaire....
[ Dernière édition du message le 09/01/2018 à 09:18:26 ]
synthwalker
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35 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 09:25:38
Ce seront les mêmes machines si elles ont le même son, ce qui reste à démontrer... critiquer la machine n’est pas pire que l’encenser alors qu’on n’en a pour le moment qu’un rendu 3D. C’est la méthode de communication que j’épingle, Uli qui enfile un costume de philanthrope...
Krapod
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36 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 09:48:29
Ce n'est pas de "l'anti-behringisme" primaire, mais l'expression d'un certain dégoût à l'encontre du nouvel auto-proclamé messie du synthétiseur, celui-là même qui se permet de cracher sur Bob Moog avant de piller son héritage. Pas la peine de rentrer dans le débat légalité contre moralité, on l'a déjà eu.
alphacentauri, quand on lit tes posts à chaque annonce d'un produit Roland, je rigole bien à te voir outré par les mots de SW.
alphacentauri, quand on lit tes posts à chaque annonce d'un produit Roland, je rigole bien à te voir outré par les mots de SW.
BLLFO
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37 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 09:53:05
et son passage sur le VA c'est pathétique...
il faut le garder bien au chaud, pour quand il nous pondera un authentique VA
et en plus vu la quantité de soft dans le deep mind, c'est vraiement se foutre des gens.
Beaucoup l'ont épinglé sur GL à ce sujet.
Cela dit, j’avoue que l'idée du UB-Xa me séduit à fond, et si le son est là, je l'acheterai c'est sur
tiens une question aux utilisateur du deepmind. Le seul contact que j'ai eu avec cette machine, c'est au showroom de woodbrass à paris, et leur machine a une sifflante permanente très désagréable, genre une note super aigu en fond., avez vous constaté ca sur d'autre machine ?
il faut le garder bien au chaud, pour quand il nous pondera un authentique VA
et en plus vu la quantité de soft dans le deep mind, c'est vraiement se foutre des gens.
Beaucoup l'ont épinglé sur GL à ce sujet.
Cela dit, j’avoue que l'idée du UB-Xa me séduit à fond, et si le son est là, je l'acheterai c'est sur
tiens une question aux utilisateur du deepmind. Le seul contact que j'ai eu avec cette machine, c'est au showroom de woodbrass à paris, et leur machine a une sifflante permanente très désagréable, genre une note super aigu en fond., avez vous constaté ca sur d'autre machine ?
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1460
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38 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 11:09:08
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Hors sujet :Citation de Krapod :alphacentauri, quand on lit tes posts à chaque annonce d'un produit Roland, je rigole bien à te voir outré par les mots de SW.
Hé hé hé ...
mais ça ne m'a pas empêché pour autant d'acheter une TR-08, une TR-09 et un SE-02
Non, ce que je déteste en revanche, c'est la vulgarité et l'inélégance, de cela on ne pourra jamais m'accuser même quand je critique fortement la Rolande !
[ Dernière édition du message le 09/01/2018 à 11:10:59 ]
jeremy19450
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39 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 11:41:07
Je ne dis pas que un jour je ne me laisserai pas tenter mais la démarche me choque. Autant les japonais dans les 70 ou plus récemment arturia par exemple faisait de la démocratisation ( la 808, la tb303 le poly6 ms20 mini micro brutes ne sont pas des clones). Là c'est de la copie pure et simple emballé marketting. Là ou je ne suis pas, concerne les arguments et méthodes employées. Je parle pas durabilité ou qualité mais simplement copier et faire un pied de nez aux modèles. Avec copie des logo couleurs itou .... A quand du créatif un truc qui fera passer behringer de copiste à peintre artiste de talent.
une vielle et alors ...??
Lennon Mercury
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40 Posté le 09/01/2018 à 12:11:16
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